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re: .223 .243 7mm.08 22-250

Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:35 pm to
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 3:35 pm to
I've killed a bunch of deer through the years and cleaned even more. Based on my experience, of the three options you mentioned, I'd recommend the 7-08. I know, a lot of deer have been killed by 22 ceterfires and 243 through the years, but I don't think either are adequate for the majority of deer hunting, especially a beginning deer hunter. Admittedly, recoil can be a problem w/ beginning deer hunters, but the modern factory produced "reduced/low/managed recoil" loads can help a great deal. A reduced recoil load in a 7-08 will have about the same recoil as a fully charged 243. When faced w/ the same decision a few years ago, I got my 10 y/o son a 308 Win. I'd suggest that as an option also as recduced recoil loads are available for the 308. Get a youth model gun so it'll fit him better. Fit it w/ a high quality recoil pad. If adults decided to shoot it, put an slip on recoil pad over the butt so the length of pull will better fit the adult. Don't try to make the gun super light as a lighter gun recoils more than a heavier gun. Use BOTH ear plugs and ear muffs when he shoots the deer gun. When shooting from the bench, use sand bags, possibly placing one on the barrel fron stock (if doing so doesn't affect point of impact). Consider a thin sand bag between the shoulder and recoil pad.

If you feel more comfortable w/ the smaller calibers, then I'd recommend 243>>22-250>223. Use a controlled expansion bullet like the 100 gr Nosler Partition in the 243. Use heavily constructed big game bullets in the the 22-250 and 223.
Posted by Count Chocula
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 4:01 pm to
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Killed my first deer with this caliber. Still love to shoot the gun.
Look at the ballistics, not far off from the 25'06 with 100 grain remington core locks. I actually wanted the Ruger in 25'06, but they said I'd have to order it. Looked at ballistic tables and the 6mm was close enough that I took the instock one instead. For marsh deer at 200 yards and less, all the gun I need.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33826 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 4:13 pm to
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I learned on a single shot and I'm a better shot for it, IMO. What would be some better single shot choices?


TC Encore
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
71080 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 5:08 pm to
Not reading the whole thread, but 7mm-08 is the best choice for deer. More arse than all the other ones you listed with a minimal increase in recoil. 7mm-08 is adequate for elk with proper loads within reasonable ranges. Very pleasant round to shoot. Just don't get a featherweight rifle and your boy should have no problem shooting it.
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
Member since Dec 2008
13695 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 6:14 pm to
Completely agree, I NEVER see 6mm rem. talked about when it comes to good all purpose rifle. My dad has a remingtons700 ADL and had been a great shooting gun whether its our reloads or factory ammo.
Posted by Scarface
West Monroe
Member since Jan 2005
84 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:52 pm to
I would highly recommend a 260 Remington model 7 youth model. I bought one for my Kids to hunt with & they love it. I actually enjoy hunting with it myself. It's small, compact, & very accurate with very little recoil.
Posted by LSUtiger17
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2009
3092 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 10:16 pm to
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I would highly recommend a 260 Remington model 7 youth model. I bought one for my Kids to hunt with & they love it. I actually enjoy hunting with it myself. It's small, compact, & very accurate with very little recoil.

Great gun. I got one when I was 10 and it's still my primary gun 11 years later, with a new stock. The 7mm-08 is a better gun all around though. My little brother has one and it has a much greater ammo selection, better ballistics, and equal recoil.
Posted by LSUEnvy
Hou via Lake Chas
Member since May 2011
12559 posts
Posted on 8/26/11 at 11:51 pm to
Ok so 7mm.08 wins the populaarity contest. Which rifle Savage, Rem ,Browning, Ruger, ??
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22765 posts
Posted on 8/27/11 at 7:06 am to
I have a 243. No problem knocking deer down.
Posted by FISH N TIGER
South Louisiana
Member since Jun 2007
1165 posts
Posted on 8/27/11 at 7:24 am to
I'm also looking for a gun for my 12 yr old son.I was thinking about getting a .270 cause thats what i use and just go with a 100gr bullet instead of the 130 that i use.I find my Ruger M-77 shoots very well with low recoil, and would be a great gun for my son in a youth model.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:20 am to
.25-06
Posted by Count Chocula
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/27/11 at 10:59 am to
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NEVER see 6mm rem. talked about when it comes to good all purpose rifle.
Cause it rally isnt an "all purpose". I wouldn't shoot an elk, moose or grizzly with a 6mm, 7mm'o8, 25'06 or 243, but I would with a 30'06, 7mag etc. For deer sized game, the 6mm is spot on.
Posted by BayouBengalinBama
Member since Jul 2005
4398 posts
Posted on 8/27/11 at 11:02 am to
I bought my 10 yr old a .243 this year and he absolutely loves it. Does not have much of a kick and it has the power to lay em down
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
Member since Dec 2008
13695 posts
Posted on 8/27/11 at 2:18 pm to
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Cause it rally isnt an "all purpose". I wouldn't shoot an elk, moose or grizzly with a 6mm, 7mm'o8, 25'06 or 243, but I would with a 30'06, 7mag etc. For deer sized game, the 6mm is spot on.


Should have written that different...all purpose for us in the hill country would be axis, hogs, white tail, black buck, varmints....all purpose there. I got my 7mm mag for mule deer in arizona...wouldn't even think about shooting a 6mm at a muley.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 2:30 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
71080 posts
Posted on 8/27/11 at 2:50 pm to
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Which rifle


Whichever one fits him best. Nobody really makes junk rifles anymore that I know of. How the gun fits has more to do with perceived recoil than anything else IMO. You can get a slip-on butt pad for when you want to shoot it if you're a very long armed fella.

Posted by jack6294
Greater Baton Rouge Area
Member since Jan 2007
4033 posts
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:49 pm to
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Ok so 7mm.08 wins the populaarity contest. Which rifle Savage, Rem ,Browning, Ruger, ??



I have Winchester Model 70 in 7mm-08. Did not need accurizing from Hill Country Rifles A new Browning X-Bolt in 270WSM did need to be accurized

So I'd say Model 70
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 4:50 pm
Posted by LSUEnvy
Hou via Lake Chas
Member since May 2011
12559 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:30 pm to
what kind, did you get a youth model?
Posted by MsandLa
in the L.P.
Member since Jan 2009
7407 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:55 pm to
i am a little late to discussion and have not read entire thread but i will give my opinion.

.243 is a great little round for kiddos and ammo is easy to find. bought my oldest a youth model .243 years ago and i hunt with it now.

not sure if it has been said but you can also get reduced recoil rounds. a buddy got his son a remington 700 youth model in .308. he used the reduced recoil rounds and it was an awesome little gun. this kid was shooting the gun at seven with no problems
Posted by BayouBengalinBama
Member since Jul 2005
4398 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 5:58 pm to
Got him a Remington - it's a youth model but you can extend the stock. This was the biggest reason I bought it. He can keep this as he gets older and use for small game if he wants to go bigger as he gets older.
Posted by heatom2
At the plant, baw.
Member since Nov 2010
13062 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 6:01 pm to
I don't know hwo old your kids are, but I was shooting the .270 at like 8 or 9. I don't think it's too much gun for a youngun.
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