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re: Oil Spill and Offshore Fishing (Latest Developments)

Posted on 5/3/10 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by tigerdup07
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 12:57 pm to
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Ever drill any for Chevron?


no.

Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 1:28 pm to
BP official: 'We've significantly cut the flow' of oil from damaged rig
By George Talbot
May 03, 2010, 11:42AM
A BP official said Monday, May 3, 2005, that the company has managed to significantly reduce the amount of oil gushing from the Deepwater Horizon site.MOBILE, Ala. -- BP has significantly cut the flow of oil leaking from its damaged Deepwater Horizon rig on the Gulf of Mexico sea floor, a company spokesman said this morning.

Jeff Childs, a deputy incident commander for BP, said in a briefing with Alabama officials that the company successfully shut a set of hydraulic shears known as annular rams, helping to clamp the ruptured pipe and block the leaking oil.

"We've significantly cut the flow through the pipe," Childs said at the Mobile briefing hosted by U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Tuscaloosa.

Childs said the company was still trying to activate a set of shear rams that are designed to seal the well by shearing off the drill pipe. The job is complicated, he said, because it is occurring at depths of more than 5,000 feet.

Shelby said the development was good news for the Gulf Coast.

"If we can stop that oil from pumping, or even slow it down, that's a big step," Shelby said.

Childs' statement came after BP chief executive Tony Hayward said earlier this morning that chemical dispersants being injected into the oil flow near the spill source have worked to some degree to keep oil from flowing to the surface, though he did not elaborate.


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Officials also said as BP is preparing a system never tried nearly a mile under water to siphon away the geyser of crude from a blown-out well a mile under Gulf of Mexico waters.
BP officials said they hope the system could collect as much as 85 percent of oil rising from the seafloor.

The plan to lower 74-ton, concrete-and-metal boxes being built to capture the oil and siphon it to a barge waiting at the surface will need at least another six to eight days to get it in place, with weather also a factor
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 1:36 pm to
Why is the only available containment dome in Italy, when the use of a containment dome is the plan B for a BOP failure.

Not to armchair quarterback, but it seems like these companies did as little as possible to prepare for the worst case scenario.
Putting all their faith into a single system that has to be manually activated seems foolish in hindsight.
This post was edited on 5/3/10 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
95026 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 1:54 pm to
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Why is the only available containment dome in Italy, when the use of a containment dome is the plan B for a BOP failure.

Not to armchair quarterback, but it seems like these companies did as little as possible to prepare for the worst case scenario.
Putting all their faith into a single system that has to be manually activated seems foolish in hindsight.


this has been my issue all along.

With as many offshore oil rigs operating around the world, how in god's name do they not have preventative measures for something like this?
Posted by Shankopotomus
Social Distanced
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 2:12 pm to
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With as many offshore oil rigs operating around the world, how in god's name do they not have preventative measures for something like this?



That's pretty much what my post was about earlier in the thread, the fact they are "building" the necessary devices to try and stop oil from flowing into the Gulf boggles my mind
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24868 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 2:14 pm to
yep, i said this 4 days ago and got nailed for it.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74243 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 2:24 pm to
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That's pretty much what my post was about earlier in the thread, the fact they are "building" the necessary devices to try and stop oil from flowing into the Gulf boggles my mind


I don't get that. The containment dome doesn't look like it would cost that much to build. They should have at least one or two ready to go near the gulf coast at all times.

Posted by BROffshoreTigerFan
Edmond, OK
Member since Oct 2007
10004 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 2:34 pm to
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yep, i said this 4 days ago and got nailed for it.


I think what you were saying that got so bashed 4 days ago is that every company should plan and equip themselves for every potential bad turn that may arise. What you were saying wasn't feasible.

I can't name any other instance in the 10 years that I've been in the oilfield where this type of equipment was ever used. What's the success/failure rate? How difficult is it going to be to lower a 120 ton piece of equipment down almost a mile and land it with accuracy to contain the spill, or at least the majority of it?

I understand the frustration in it taking so long to get to this phase, but we really don't have all the info on what they've tried. Maybe there was a plan for one of these, but it wasn't big enough. Maybe they didn't think it was feasible being that far down, and went with a better plan at the time.

It's hard to tell what they've considered and what they haven't. What parts were readily available and what they've had to wait on to be manufactured.
Posted by dorseyforheisman
Houston
Member since Jun 2007
291 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 2:56 pm to
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I can't name any other instance in the 10 years that I've been in the oilfield where this type of equipment was ever used. What's the success/failure rate? How difficult is it going to be to lower a 120 ton piece of equipment down almost a mile and land it with accuracy to contain the spill, or at least the majority of it?


I will be anxious to see how they deal with the current down that far and what success they have with the accuracy of putting this thing down there as well
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16768 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 3:07 pm to
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I will be anxious to see how they deal with the current down that far and what success they have with the accuracy of putting this thing down there as well


From what I am hearing, the subsea currents at these depths should not be a big issue. The larger issue is simply being able to thread the needle and land on top of the stack from almost a mile above the sea floor.

I would also think that lowering something of this size and weight could have catastrophic effects if it miss hits the stack, potentially spilling even more oil from the bottom.

Not to make light of the situation but I bet there is some high sphinter-retension factor amongst the engineers of this dome. There seems to be an almost unlimited list of things that could go wrong, with a pretty small window for it to go right.

I am guessing in the engineering world under normal circumstances this would be at least a one year project.
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
22268 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 3:11 pm to
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From what I am hearing, the subsea currents at these depths should not be a big issue. The larger issue is simply being able to thread the needle and land on top of the stack from almost a mile above the sea floor.


the rov will position it over the stack just like it positions the stack on the wellhead. No big deal.


quote:

I would also think that lowering something of this size and weight could have catastrophic effects if it miss hits the stack, potentially spilling even more oil from the bottom.


it's done very gently. the rov has camera's for the operator to see. and, they have great communication with one another.

Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8849 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 3:21 pm to
I assume this dome is going to be lowered from the Enterprise with drill pipe?
This post was edited on 5/3/10 at 3:22 pm
Posted by shaunk128
Houma
Member since Jan 2008
82 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

From the poli board ... someone posted a FOX news article about this and raised the question of the currents that far down ... and the pressure. How thick is the metal/steel and can it withstand the pressure 5000 feet down?


You are only looking at about 2,400 Psi of pressure acting on the outside of this cofferdam. The cofferdam can withstand this easily. Trust me these guys are not idiots and would not build something like this and not think of the pressures that the water will put on it at that depth.
Posted by lsugradman
Member since Sep 2003
8970 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 3:42 pm to
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Dunno what age reservoir this is. What subsea depth were they at when they TD'd the well?
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I keep seeing the well was around 18000 subsea depth. With all the erroneous numbers bouncing around who knows.


Ok after looking into it, its likely that this reservoir was Miocene age. Could have had some formation failure down hole that could have helped bridge the well off but that obviously didnt happen.
Posted by proger
Member since Nov 2007
743 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 3:46 pm to
Report of reduced oil leak unfounded

Update: BP refutes executive who said company 'cut the flow' of oil from damaged rig
By George Talbot
May 03, 2010, 11:42AM


MOBILE, Ala. -- BP Tuesday refuted an executive who said Monday morning the company has significantly cut the flow of oil leaking from its damaged Deepwater Horizon rig on the Gulf of Mexico sea floor.

Jeff Childs, a deputy incident commander for BP, said in a briefing with Alabama officials that the company successfully shut a set of hydraulic shears known as annular rams, helping to clamp the ruptured pipe and block the leaking oil.

"We've significantly cut the flow through the pipe," Childs said at the Mobile briefing hosted by U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Tuscaloosa.

Shelby said the development was good news for the Gulf Coast.

"If we can stop that oil from pumping, or even slow it down, that's a big step," Shelby said.

By Monday afternoon, however, BP had released a statement saying the oil flow remained unchanged.

"BP would like to clarify that, contrary to some media reports, the actions it has taken to date on the blow out preventer have not resulted in any observed reduction in the rate of flow of oil from the MC252 well," the statement said.

Childs said the company was still trying to activate a set of shear rams that are designed to seal the well by shearing off the drill pipe. The job is complicated, he said, because it is occurring at depths of more than 5,000 feet.
Childs' statement came after BP chief executive Tony Hayward said earlier this morning that chemical dispersants being injected into the oil flow near the spill source have worked to some degree to keep oil from flowing to the surface, though he did not elaborate.

Officials also said as BP is preparing a system never tried nearly a mile under water to siphon away the geyser of crude from a blown-out well a mile under Gulf of Mexico waters.

BP officials said they hope the system could collect as much as 85 percent of oil rising from the seafloor.

The plan to lower 74-ton, concrete-and-metal boxes being built to capture the oil and siphon it to a barge waiting at the surface will need at least another six to eight days to get it in place, with weather also a factor.
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16768 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 4:12 pm to
Well...that sucks, you cannot even trust published reports anymore, much less rumors.
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 4:37 pm to
quote:

Jeff Childs, a deputy incident commander for BP


If the Deputy Incident Commander doesn't know WTF is going on, who does?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63313 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 5:06 pm to
quote:

I can't name any other instance in the 10 years that I've been in the oilfield where this type of equipment was ever used. What's the success/failure rate? How difficult is it going to be to lower a 120 ton piece of equipment down almost a mile and land it with accuracy to contain the spill, or at least the majority of it?
They were commonly used after Katrina by several operators. Also if you work off the coast of AL you are required to do all diving work under a similar setup. You can't even put disturbed silt into the water in some of those areas. That said... I've never heard of one being used this deep. The concept's solid. No reason to think it can't work.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
40864 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 5:30 pm to
Quick question. Does anyone know who the cement company was on the Horizon?
Posted by tipup
Member since Sep 2005
1649 posts
Posted on 5/3/10 at 5:39 pm to
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