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re: Little update on the sea turtles here on the coast.......
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:19 am to bayoudude
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:19 am to bayoudude
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Couldn't agree more If you have ever spent any time pulling a trawl the by catch is sickening. Hundreds of juvenile trout and flounder can be caught in a 40 minute drag with even a small recreational trawl of 16'. These large boats pulling five nets at a time kill thousands of fish a day.
i will agree but most of the flounders live as they are pushed overboard...the juvenile trout are not as lucky...trout population isnt a problem...but as far as the other guy saying shrimpers destroy the eco system...how about the explosion that will destroy the ecosystem for yrs here if theings dont change fast...thats bs...yes some other species die and they are all pretty much harvested anyways by other sea life....they gonna get eaten anyways alive or not....nature of the beast....i dont believe oil killed them either but it wasnt shrimpers...
This post was edited on 5/7/10 at 11:25 am
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:24 am to HebertFest08
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quote: I would agree to stop eating shrimp or pay twice as much for it if it would stop the trawlers. Same here.
Same here here
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:24 am to sharkfhin
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the story about catching snapper...that isnt accurate....not many adult snapper are caught in shrimp nets....many times fisherman keep crabs and some fish to harvest at seafood shops and not many adult snapper are brought in..
It isn't the adults I am worried about but the juvenile fingerling.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:27 am to bayoudude
most juvenile trout and snapper are wayyyyy offshore at first then as they grow they move into shallower waters...most snapper will stay in no shallower water than 50 ft.....trout move much closer and i will agree on trout but there population is enormous....most of the trout or any other dead species from shrimping are eaten anyways by other fish, etc when pushed over board....it is a sad thing but a small pirce to pay for a multimillion dollar industry compared to many other things people should be more worried about......
This post was edited on 5/7/10 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:31 am to sharkfhin
the story about catching snapper...that isnt accurate....not many adult snapper are caught in shrimp nets....many times fisherman keep crabs and some fish to harvest at seafood shops and not many adult snapper are brought in....
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he was talking about juvenile red snapper. The snapper/ general fish population buonced up shortly after Katrina due to the short term loss Of shrimp boats. Shrimping is an over looked Eco disaster. I ain't a tree bugger either just a realist.
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he was talking about juvenile red snapper. The snapper/ general fish population buonced up shortly after Katrina due to the short term loss Of shrimp boats. Shrimping is an over looked Eco disaster. I ain't a tree bugger either just a realist.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:31 am to sharkfhin
In 1993, the Foundation began placing observers aboard voluntarily participating commercial shrimp trawlers to collect fishery-dependent data concerning shrimp trawl bycatch. From 1993-1996, Foundation-contracted observers logged 2,320 days aboard trawlers, collecting information on 3,162 shrimp trawl tows. According to NMFS Galveston, the programmatic partners' pooled data set consists of ~5700 tows, thus Foundation generated data comprises about 55% of the total. Characterization sampling by Foundation observers included 403 days in the Gulf of Mexico collecting data on 479 shrimp trawl tows, 34 days in the South Atlantic producing data for 34 tows, and an additional 14 days were logged monitoring the catch of 20 tows in the rock shrimp fishery operating off the Atlantic Florida coast. Greater effort was expended evaluating the exclusion efficiency of various bycatch reduction devices (BRD's) and turtle-excluder-devices (Ted's). Observers logged 1426 days in the Gulf of Mexico collecting data on 1696 tows examining BRD's, and 244 tows examining TED's. In the South Atlantic, observers spent 443 days evaluating 689 BRD tows.
According to two separate NMFS analyses, over 450 and 150 taxa have been identified in trawls from the Gulf of Mexico and South Atlantic respectively; the average catch was 27 kg (~60 lb.) of biomass per hour of trawling. The bycatch to shrimp catch ratios generated by these data were in stark contrast to an often-quoted ratio of 10:1. For the Gulf of Mexico, the bycatch to shrimp ratio was 5¼:1, and for the South Atlantic it was 4½:1. More importantly, the generalization of a 10:1 bycatch ratio has been often misquoted to represent the finfish to shrimp ratio when in fact, in the Gulf of Mexico the finfish to shrimp ratio was 4.2:1, and in the South Atlantic the ratio was 2.8:1.
Quite a serious problem IMO.
By Catch Study
According to two separate NMFS analyses, over 450 and 150 taxa have been identified in trawls from the Gulf of Mexico and South Atlantic respectively; the average catch was 27 kg (~60 lb.) of biomass per hour of trawling. The bycatch to shrimp catch ratios generated by these data were in stark contrast to an often-quoted ratio of 10:1. For the Gulf of Mexico, the bycatch to shrimp ratio was 5¼:1, and for the South Atlantic it was 4½:1. More importantly, the generalization of a 10:1 bycatch ratio has been often misquoted to represent the finfish to shrimp ratio when in fact, in the Gulf of Mexico the finfish to shrimp ratio was 4.2:1, and in the South Atlantic the ratio was 2.8:1.
Quite a serious problem IMO.
By Catch Study
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:40 am to HebertFest08
Link or BAN this fricker
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:46 am to Placebeaux
Judging from the reactions, I don't think a link would help.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:58 am to sharkfhin
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i CALL bullshite....like i said...let me see the turtles and ill tell you if they were dragged in a net....
do you actually think a local wildlife people would just start making these kinds of statements without any reasoning.... and if it were from the "oil" then how did they float all the way to the coast when the oil hasn't... more than likely these turtles here would've washed up on Chandeleir Islands (probably wrong spelling) not all the way out here. What I can tell you is that the number of shrimp boats out here is ridiculous and some of these guys couldn't give 2 shits about the environment or turtles, dolphins, by catch etc. etc.... Most of them are reputable, but you line up 10 shrimpers and tell me all 10 are great stand up people....
Posted on 5/7/10 at 12:01 pm to HebertFest08
I know a couple of shrimpers, and I know how many game fish they catch as by catch.
And they are definitely not hurting for fish around their house.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 12:23 pm to ItTakesAThief
Nola.com turtle article
It's obviously dated a couple of days back but maybe this is the link the OP was citing?
It's obviously dated a couple of days back but maybe this is the link the OP was citing?
Posted on 5/7/10 at 12:42 pm to HebertFest08
quote:I wonder if this will broadcast with the same attention that the original story was?
All of the 20 or so turtles found dead on the beach this past week were not oil related..... They were the work of the wonderful seafood industry... the shrimpers to be exact. Death by shrimp nets.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 1:06 pm to sharkfhin
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most juvenile trout are wayyyyy offshore at first
Which bodily orifice are you pulling that information out of because its complete bullshite?
Posted on 5/7/10 at 1:32 pm to tgrbaitn08
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I heard this but I don't believe it
Why?
Posted on 5/7/10 at 1:37 pm to Alatgr
I've seen shrimpers cull their catch, with about 200 seagulls and terns behind their boat. They are literally "shoveling" the dead carcasses of juevenile fish over board. Their dead because they drown in the nets because they can't move and insufficient water runs over their gills. The ones that are alive are left to die because it's easier to shovel dead fish than live fish flopping around everywhere. Sure, crabs and other fish and microorganisms will eat the dead fish so they don't go to waste, but not every single one of them would have died as part of the food chain like they do when they get caught in a shrimp net.
Weren't the disciples using nets to fish back in the times of Jesus? how about some technological advancement here?
A co-worker of mine just pulled his net for 10 minutes in Sabine and caught about 100 croaker and 12 shrimp...so there's your 10:1 ratio. He was pulling for bait, not food.
Weren't the disciples using nets to fish back in the times of Jesus? how about some technological advancement here?
A co-worker of mine just pulled his net for 10 minutes in Sabine and caught about 100 croaker and 12 shrimp...so there's your 10:1 ratio. He was pulling for bait, not food.
This post was edited on 5/7/10 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 5/7/10 at 1:40 pm to Alatgr
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Which bodily orifice are you pulling that information out of because its complete bullshite?
probably the same one that his head frequently visits....maybe he has "cranial-rectal-itis"
Posted on 5/7/10 at 2:38 pm to el tigre
Because it's not just a coincidence. It may not be the oil, but it could be the dispersants. It's not common for 20 dead sea turtles to just wash ashore.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 2:41 pm to Alatgr
baby tout are not wayyyyyyy offshore but they are offshore. This is the time of year when the trout move out to spawn and lay their egss, hence the reason why they all always full of eggs during to summer months. Come october the baby trout will start moving back into the marshes.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 2:56 pm to tgrbaitn08
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sharkfhin
you couldnt be more wrong. why the do you think everyone is so worried about the marshes being damaged? They are the incubators for at least 60% of the life in the gulf. Small fish, crabs, and other animals use the marsh for protection. Hell even sea turtles start on the beach...
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