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re: Youth travel ball has to be the dumbest waste of time and money.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:40 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:40 pm to Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:42 pm to lsu777
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15 or 16 its time to specialize
Extremely dumb. The vast majority of college athletes played multiple sports in HS. If a kid has had 1200 live ABs by the time he’s 16 what is specializing gonna do for him. Playing other sports will develop other muscle groups and coordinations that specific sport doesn’t develop as well while providing a much needed break for that athlete mentally from that one sport.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:43 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Wait, 55 isn't going overboard?
55 is not that many and is about right if you want full development. if you think otherwise you have never played a highly skilled sport like baseball or are clueless what it takes now a days to play at a decent hs level.
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You can't deliniate how to optimize under the current model and what the optimal model "should" be (which of course is an opinion)
imo the current model is optimized. it allows everyone a place to develop. develop enough and you or your whole team can move up to a high comepition level.
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At the upper level, which is exactly how it was when it was actually "select" ball. Now if your kid isn't good enough to make the good team you just start another team with kids of the same skill level. So instead of playing Rec, you drive to Baton Rouge to play the same exact level of baseball. It makes no sense.
Does that hurt the best players who played Rec 15 years ago. Maybe slightly, but at age 10 it's so insignificant that it doesn't matter.
its not even close to the same level. sorry i played rec growing up and even AA ball is better than the all star teams we played, atleast sub 10.
and like i said the current model helps everyone develop and has ways for you to move up or down depending on your rate of development
so wtf is your gripe with it? is it simply you wish rec was better or you wish "tournament ball" was more selective and frick the rest of the kids?
Like i dont get it. you dont work for a rec department so what is the gripe? the current model allows everyone to develop against similar competition.
is it the facebook post that piss you off? is it that the CPA in you doesnt like people to SPEND THEIR MONEY AS THEY CHOOSE?
you just admitted that the current model allows for better development so what is the issue?
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I never said it did, in fact I specifically stated you needed more. I said 35ish is around the right number, which is how many I played at that age, with about half being higher level.
well you are not gonna get 35 games in rec. so your model doesnt work.
hell we have whole tball teams where the parents are done and dont want to even play in the playoffs and they have only played 12 games total.
How are the kids that want to develop supposed to do so when that is the kind of shite you are dealing with?
kids dont feel like going today or not going to practice.....who cares, its just rec.
I deal with that daily, so again i ask how the hell are the kids that actually like the sport and want to get better and want to make a high school team supposed to develop when that is the kind of crap that is in rec?
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Im aware of the model. A town the size of lake Charles can support probably 2 upper level teams. The rest are playing glorified Rec league, it just costs more.
who gives a frick? its not your money and in the end its better for development all the way around for every level, the kids in travel and the kids left in rec.
so what is the issue?
its a better model. some kids are going to be left behind...oh well. that happens no matter the sport and it happens in academics.
the parents with money are goign to have their kids in private lessons, with private strength coaches at a young age and are going to mvoe them to the best schools and get private tutors.
that is the way it has always been and always will be. are parents not supposed to invest in their kids?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:44 pm to Chad504boy
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boy, another season like that and i'm not sure how he doesn't go straight to high school varsity.
I’m not bragging on him. I’m just telling you the truth. That’s how bad Rec is around here.
And by the way, his Junior High try outs are in two weeks. Tryouts are 3 days long and as of last week had 35 signed up. Almost all play travel ball and at least half play at AAA level or above. I’m not saying you have to play travel to make it but you damn well better be a principals son otherwise!
Oh yea, he also plays football, basketball, rides horses, works on the farm, hunts, fishes, rides 4 wheelers and is a straight A student. And we don’t even own a credit card, so take that for your stereotype!
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:46 pm to redfishfan
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Extremely dumb. The vast majority of college athletes played multiple sports in HS. If a kid has had 1200 live ABs by the time he’s 16 what is specializing gonna do for him. Playing other sports will develop other muscle groups and coordinations that specific sport doesn’t develop as well while providing a much needed break for that athlete mentally from that one sport.
not baseball players. go read the studies from driveline, go look at the mlb rosters....its not dumb and you are wrong. this isnt the nfl where they count participating in track as multi sport.
as far as
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develop other muscle groups and coordinations that specific sport doesn’t develop as well
thats what a proper off season training program develops.
having a full off season is way way more important than playing mutliple sports for long term athletic devlopment.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:51 pm to Lugnut
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I’m not bragging on him. I’m just telling you the truth. That’s how bad Rec is around here.
he was being sarcastic and on your side. he was making fun of the guys who say rec is the way. they are naive and dumb and just wish for a simplier time.
the ones that are parents are doing it because they dont want to have to be a parent and want more time at the fishing camp to drink beer and shoot the shite etc.
mingo on the other hand is atleast informed. wrong...but informed.
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And by the way, his Junior High try outs are in two weeks. Tryouts are 3 days long and as of last week had 35 signed up. Almost all play travel ball and at least half play at AAA level or above. I’m not saying you have to play travel to make it but you damn well better be a principals son otherwise!
you dont have to say it....its obvious to anyone that is involved.
if you arent playing high level travel you arent gonna make a junior high team much less a top level HS team.
and everyone seems to not understand most small towns dont even have little leagues anymore and if the 3 or 4 travel kids from those towns came back, they still wouldnt have enough to have a league.
so if you live between deridder and alexandria....wtf are you supposed to do?
between lake charles and lafayette....sorry sone you are shite out of luck to play baseball....people of the OT say tournament ball is for the select few only....better luck in another life time. i mean wtf lol?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:53 pm to CP3LSU25
Coach is correct. The select model may be best for developing players physically but it also sets kids up for failure. Most kids now go from 5-14 never having sat the bench. So when they get to HS and they gotta wait their turn to play they can’t handle it. They quit and their parents blame the coaches. I don’t coach baseball and never have but I can tell you how many kids have told me “baseball isn’t fun anymore” during their freshman year bc
they are sitting the bench
having to work on the field
having to run and get in shape
having to lift weights
Getting punished by coach for grades
Actually being help accountable
Not playing position they want
Travel ball isn’t comparable to being a part of an actual team on the HS or College level and that’s it’s downfall IMO.
they are sitting the bench
having to work on the field
having to run and get in shape
having to lift weights
Getting punished by coach for grades
Actually being help accountable
Not playing position they want
Travel ball isn’t comparable to being a part of an actual team on the HS or College level and that’s it’s downfall IMO.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:16 pm to redfishfan
quote:Chalk it up to being involved with shitty coaches. The only things on your list the kids on our team aren’t familiar with are lifting weights, because they’re too young, and working on the field, because the coach doesn’t have his own field and rents a turf field for practice.
Travel ball isn’t comparable to being a part of an actual team on the HS or College level and that’s it’s downfall IMO.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:19 pm to Lugnut
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I’m just telling you the truth. That’s how bad Rec is around here.
i know. my answer was pure sarcasm to those that defend the rec system in today's world.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:24 pm to lsu777
quote:This is a fallacy. My kid was one of the better hitters in the state until 18 months ago. When he started seeing real top teir velocity he developed a couple issues. A life long good eye hand coordination kid overcame mechanical flaws for a bit, but stopped driving ball in gaps or out of the park. 18 months of rebuilding from the ground up and he is showing signs of his old self. He worked his balls off for 6 months getting worse as he tried to adapt to some new teaching.
its pretty obvious who is working hard and who isnt.
And no youth player should be subjected to more than 50 games a year, 40 is more than enough. Fall completely off. Period. If you are top level you simply can not have a no break year while your growth plates are spreading in the elbow. The leverage these kids learn to generate is biomechanically unsound for the growing player from the time they start growing till they are almost done.
Irresponsible. 75 is abuse. I dont care if you pitch a bunch or not. Simply warming up, cooling down that many times, including practices...no way. And mentally that is too much.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:26 pm to lsu777
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not baseball players.
Russel Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, jameis Winston, buster Posey, kyler Murray, Jeff Samarjia, Tom Brady, Todd Helton, Frank Thomas, etc, etc, etc disagree.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:27 pm to lsu777
quote:right 9 or 10.
outh american countries have academies set up and at like 9 or 10 kids leave home and go live in these academies.
quote:No, you are not. I bet 3000 kids were playing along I-10 this weekend. The Dominican has like 11 or 12 million people live there.
this is exactly what i am talking about.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:30 pm to lsu777
quote:Yall are leaving out the biggest issue being mentioned which is true. You got really mediocre kids playing travel ball which has killed rec. Rec would not be the bad rec you see if these kids werent going to bat with bad rap walkout songs blaring during the pitchers windup, and batting 500 on daddys never error game changer
he was being sarcastic and on your side. he was making fun of the guys who say rec is the way. they are naive and dumb and just wish for a simplier time.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:33 pm to tigerfoot
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Yall are leaving out the biggest issue being mentioned which is true. You got really mediocre kids playing travel ball which has killed rec
Exactly, kids could play rec if kids played Rec. I don't see how that doesn't register.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:35 pm to redfishfan
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they are sitting the bench
having to work on the field
having to run and get in shape
having to lift weights
Getting punished by coach for grades
Actually being help accountable
Not playing position they want
I cant wait for my kid to be in a program like that. He will earn it, he will work hard. Riding the pine, pinch hitting and earning it will make the success all the more fun.Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:39 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:As I have been clear. I have two kids, one baller, one not. One is in rec, one is travel. Our biggest mistake was starting travel too soon.
Exactly, kids could play rec if kids played Rec. I don't see how that doesn't register.
Fundamentals dont really start being taught until 11-12 any way.
Here comes the defenders saying that fundamentals are always taught to their kids, cause they have these great coaches. But they are talking about the ABCs, fielding positions, throwing mechanics, etc.....real fundamentals cant be taught until baseball starts looking like baseball...and that is at the high level of travel ball (5% of teams) when they are late 11s, 12s, and for many 13s.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:49 pm to tigerfoot
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isn’t that the opposite.
Seems taking your kid off the challenging team and bring a star on a bad team is avoiding the challenge.
Think of it like this. The kid is on a AAA team and is a top 3 player, firmly in his talent zone for his age and abilities. But the team has good kids who are marginal AAA abilities and need some time to develop. The parent wants him to be the 12th best on a majors team because they are a better team top to bottom. So their kid will not play as often, sometimes not at all.
The point is parents need to face reality and come to grips that choosing development may come at a cost in the short term.
Another point many parents miss is comparing their kid's capabilities vs other kids at a prepubescent level. As well as overestimating how much their kid really likes baseball.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 4:12 pm to tigerfoot
quote:Please describe “real fundamentals” specifically.
But they are talking about the ABCs, fielding positions, throwing mechanics, etc.....real fundamentals cant be taught until baseball starts looking like baseball..
Posted on 5/2/22 at 4:53 pm to MOT
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halk it up to being involved with shitty coaches. The only things on your list the kids on our team aren’t familiar with are lifting weights, because they’re too young, and working on the field, because the coach doesn’t have his own field and rents a turf field for practice.
I’m not talking about 7u teams with the weights and conditioning aspect. I’m more talking about late middle school to HS age teams. Those coaches aren’t checking on academics and running kids. They are taking BP and ground balls.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 4:58 pm to Kamara4Prez
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Every hobby your kid will have requires money. Big shocker there. If it’s not traveling for tournaments and equipment, it’s for music going see different artists they may like, buying instruments, sound equip, etc.
And you're really not buying fun or buying their way only a HS team or a college one. You are buying lessons for your kid in how to work hard, how to stick with something and not quit, how things that are work something take time and you don't see the results immediately, how to manage your time between school work and other things, and most of all, you are filling up their time with productive things instead of letting them flounder around and have time to get into trouble.
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