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re: “You’re just throwing your money away on rent”
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:34 am to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:34 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:hope your home ownership advice is better than your subject line writing.
“You’re just throwing your money away on rent”
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:35 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:Unless they qualify for a VA loan or the house is in an area that qualifies for rural development loans, then I don't think they're getting a $200K house with only $5K down. FHA is 3.5% and that would be $7K down, not including closing costs.
Let’s say they miraculously found a starter home for $200K.
They put $5K down.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:43 am to Clark W Griswold
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His note would be less than his current rent and he earns equity.
How much is he putting down? What is the int rate? Does the note include escrow? What's the payment difference vs rent? What does his savings look like after making down payment?
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Now he can afford to pay down his student loans faster too.
Sure, as long as the AC doesn't blow up or he doesn't get hit with a 10,000 assessment from the HOA.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:51 am to Eli Goldfinger
Taxes kills any hope of me buying in Houston. The taxes on something around $200k (cheap condo inside the loop) is like $4-600 a month. I don’t think you’re counting taxes in that $1350 a month payment or maybe taxes are cheaper where you live.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:54 am to Centinel
Sure you'd get something but it'd be much less than if you'd invested elsewhere.
After your transaction costs of $20,000+, you also forgot to include the annual costs of maintenance, property taxes and insurance for every year you owned the home in your analysis. You conveniently left out the time period over which your property "appreciated", so no real conclusion can be reached.
Assuming 2% per year for ownership costs, plus $20,000 for sales costs, over 5 years you're at an average annual return of about 1.25% and over 10 years you're losing money every year. Obviously there is the value of imputed rent (being able to live there) but a house is generally a bad investment. A house is an undiversified, illiquid leveraged investment, they're good for living in but not for storing wealth.
Also, you didn't bring up the scenario where your house is worth $240,000 at sale and you have to a write a check for $80,000 on top of all these costs.
You can get diversified, liquid returns that average 11-12% without the volatility and high transaction costs of housing. Obviously you can't live in a mutual fund, but you can sell some of them to rent really nice houses, while your money grows too.
After your transaction costs of $20,000+, you also forgot to include the annual costs of maintenance, property taxes and insurance for every year you owned the home in your analysis. You conveniently left out the time period over which your property "appreciated", so no real conclusion can be reached.
Assuming 2% per year for ownership costs, plus $20,000 for sales costs, over 5 years you're at an average annual return of about 1.25% and over 10 years you're losing money every year. Obviously there is the value of imputed rent (being able to live there) but a house is generally a bad investment. A house is an undiversified, illiquid leveraged investment, they're good for living in but not for storing wealth.
Also, you didn't bring up the scenario where your house is worth $240,000 at sale and you have to a write a check for $80,000 on top of all these costs.
You can get diversified, liquid returns that average 11-12% without the volatility and high transaction costs of housing. Obviously you can't live in a mutual fund, but you can sell some of them to rent really nice houses, while your money grows too.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:57 am to madmaxvol
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I'm wondering when housing bubble 2.0 is going to pop.
Not the surest sign, but this year people have borrowed more against their homes than any time since 2010. I think it's starting to happen. I don't think it will be as bad since mortgage companies aren't just giving money away though.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:01 pm to Eli Goldfinger
We put down 5% on our house and are locked in at 4% interest and it may go down right before closing. So them not having much to put down is not a factor if they can hit that 5% probably. Interest rates are so low that it doesn’t currently make sense to give away all your cash.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:03 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Buy land
Put a trailer on it
Save up for a house as you go along. Bonus if you're handy enough to do some or all of the work yourself.
Put a trailer on it
Save up for a house as you go along. Bonus if you're handy enough to do some or all of the work yourself.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:05 pm to Eli Goldfinger
For me, owning a home everywhere I’ve lived has paid off quite well.
Everybody is different though.
My advice would be to educate yourself as much as possible on your local markets, mortgage industry, etc. and go from there.
Everybody is different though.
My advice would be to educate yourself as much as possible on your local markets, mortgage industry, etc. and go from there.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:09 pm to celltech1981
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$350 a month in rent
Is Haiti really hot this time of year?
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:17 pm to AbitaFan08
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We've certainly been conditioned to believe that home ownership is the ultimate goal.
As a homeowner and a renter, it’s much easier to be a renter.
The idea that your primary residence is an investment is BS. In order to make money off your primary residence, you have to be able to cash out or change the situation (move to place with a lower housing cost). You can’t trade apples for apples in the same city since everyone else’s properties are subject to the same market forces as yours.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:26 pm to pjab
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The idea that your primary residence is an investment is BS. In order to make money off your primary residence, you have to be able to cash out or change the situation (move to place with a lower housing cost). You can’t trade apples for apples in the same city since everyone else’s properties are subject to the same market forces as yours.
I'd like to think of my primary residence is a long-term investment.
We are buying (close next week) in an area primarily because of good schools. 15-year mortgage. Once our kid is out of school and hopefully off to college out of the house we'll have completely paid off our house, and we'll have much more room than necessary for just my wife and me.
So, we can downsize into a more central location, and then turn the primary residence into a rental income with no mortgage to worry about, just taxes.
In the more current situation, our mortgage all combined is going to be about $700/month less than our current rent. So that's nice.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:27 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Home ownership is one of the best ways to ensure personal security and stability. Any place worth living in will cost $1000 per month and higher. I would much rather own a home.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:30 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I remember this argument too, but being a homeowner, the biggest thing I miss about renting is not having to spend every weekend fixing all the crap that breaks during the week.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
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get hit with a 10,000 assessment from the HOA
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:34 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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I suggested they rent and keep saving until there’s another dip in the market.
In Nashville?
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:41 pm to Eli Goldfinger
To over-simplify, I’d say all else equal if the mortgage payment (PITI) and monthly rent are the same, the mortgage is likely better. Once the mortgage costs more than rent, it gets iffy and involves calculations based on how long you will be there and other assumptions.
A house is actually considered a poor investment long term. If you are looking to invest, then invest in actual investments.
Now, if your house payment will stay the same (iffy-taxes rise), and rent will rise, then that is another consideration.
This is all my opinion, but that’s kind of how I look at it.
A house is actually considered a poor investment long term. If you are looking to invest, then invest in actual investments.
Now, if your house payment will stay the same (iffy-taxes rise), and rent will rise, then that is another consideration.
This is all my opinion, but that’s kind of how I look at it.
This post was edited on 8/20/19 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:44 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Dirty little secret, with a small down payment you are essentially “renting from the bank” for years, but on the hook for upkeep/repairs out of pocket.
Look at a 30 amortization schedule/calculator to see this for yourself. Any significant repair/costs will negate the meager equity accrual, not to mention escrow costs.
If it is the home(and a commitment) for 30 years that is one thing, but a “starter” situation? Renting is a well justified decision
Look at a 30 amortization schedule/calculator to see this for yourself. Any significant repair/costs will negate the meager equity accrual, not to mention escrow costs.
If it is the home(and a commitment) for 30 years that is one thing, but a “starter” situation? Renting is a well justified decision
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:51 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Depends on the area not all real estate markets are the same. I have had very good luck buying and selling the last few years and making a lot of money each time and being able to upgrade to something better and have a lot of money left over to save or invest etc.
Have been in my current place 13 months and will be selling right at the 2 year mark to move onto something better. Market around me has been on fire going on 6 or 7 years now.
Have been in my current place 13 months and will be selling right at the 2 year mark to move onto something better. Market around me has been on fire going on 6 or 7 years now.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:58 pm to Eli Goldfinger
When my central AC unit went out I was thanking God that I rent...
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