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re: “You’re just throwing your money away on rent”

Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:34 am to
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:34 am to
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“You’re just throwing your money away on rent”
hope your home ownership advice is better than your subject line writing.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26324 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:35 am to
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Let’s say they miraculously found a starter home for $200K.
They put $5K down.
Unless they qualify for a VA loan or the house is in an area that qualifies for rural development loans, then I don't think they're getting a $200K house with only $5K down. FHA is 3.5% and that would be $7K down, not including closing costs.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41652 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:43 am to
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His note would be less than his current rent and he earns equity.


How much is he putting down? What is the int rate? Does the note include escrow? What's the payment difference vs rent? What does his savings look like after making down payment?

quote:

Now he can afford to pay down his student loans faster too.


Sure, as long as the AC doesn't blow up or he doesn't get hit with a 10,000 assessment from the HOA.
Posted by 337tigergirl
Houston
Member since Jan 2012
6556 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:51 am to
Taxes kills any hope of me buying in Houston. The taxes on something around $200k (cheap condo inside the loop) is like $4-600 a month. I don’t think you’re counting taxes in that $1350 a month payment or maybe taxes are cheaper where you live.
Posted by GoIrish02
Member since Mar 2012
1491 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:54 am to
Sure you'd get something but it'd be much less than if you'd invested elsewhere.

After your transaction costs of $20,000+, you also forgot to include the annual costs of maintenance, property taxes and insurance for every year you owned the home in your analysis. You conveniently left out the time period over which your property "appreciated", so no real conclusion can be reached.

Assuming 2% per year for ownership costs, plus $20,000 for sales costs, over 5 years you're at an average annual return of about 1.25% and over 10 years you're losing money every year. Obviously there is the value of imputed rent (being able to live there) but a house is generally a bad investment. A house is an undiversified, illiquid leveraged investment, they're good for living in but not for storing wealth.

Also, you didn't bring up the scenario where your house is worth $240,000 at sale and you have to a write a check for $80,000 on top of all these costs.

You can get diversified, liquid returns that average 11-12% without the volatility and high transaction costs of housing. Obviously you can't live in a mutual fund, but you can sell some of them to rent really nice houses, while your money grows too.
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4793 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:57 am to
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I'm wondering when housing bubble 2.0 is going to pop.


Not the surest sign, but this year people have borrowed more against their homes than any time since 2010. I think it's starting to happen. I don't think it will be as bad since mortgage companies aren't just giving money away though.
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5422 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:01 pm to
We put down 5% on our house and are locked in at 4% interest and it may go down right before closing. So them not having much to put down is not a factor if they can hit that 5% probably. Interest rates are so low that it doesn’t currently make sense to give away all your cash.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106050 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:03 pm to
Buy land

Put a trailer on it

Save up for a house as you go along. Bonus if you're handy enough to do some or all of the work yourself.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2312 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:05 pm to
For me, owning a home everywhere I’ve lived has paid off quite well.

Everybody is different though.

My advice would be to educate yourself as much as possible on your local markets, mortgage industry, etc. and go from there.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35527 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:09 pm to
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$350 a month in rent


Is Haiti really hot this time of year?
Posted by pjab
Member since Mar 2016
5773 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:17 pm to
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We've certainly been conditioned to believe that home ownership is the ultimate goal.


As a homeowner and a renter, it’s much easier to be a renter.

The idea that your primary residence is an investment is BS. In order to make money off your primary residence, you have to be able to cash out or change the situation (move to place with a lower housing cost). You can’t trade apples for apples in the same city since everyone else’s properties are subject to the same market forces as yours.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104452 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:26 pm to
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The idea that your primary residence is an investment is BS. In order to make money off your primary residence, you have to be able to cash out or change the situation (move to place with a lower housing cost). You can’t trade apples for apples in the same city since everyone else’s properties are subject to the same market forces as yours.


I'd like to think of my primary residence is a long-term investment.

We are buying (close next week) in an area primarily because of good schools. 15-year mortgage. Once our kid is out of school and hopefully off to college out of the house we'll have completely paid off our house, and we'll have much more room than necessary for just my wife and me.

So, we can downsize into a more central location, and then turn the primary residence into a rental income with no mortgage to worry about, just taxes.

In the more current situation, our mortgage all combined is going to be about $700/month less than our current rent. So that's nice.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:27 pm to
Home ownership is one of the best ways to ensure personal security and stability. Any place worth living in will cost $1000 per month and higher. I would much rather own a home.
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4556 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:30 pm to
I remember this argument too, but being a homeowner, the biggest thing I miss about renting is not having to spend every weekend fixing all the crap that breaks during the week.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26324 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:33 pm to
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get hit with a 10,000 assessment from the HOA
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:34 pm to
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I suggested they rent and keep saving until there’s another dip in the market.


In Nashville? Keep waiting.
Posted by Ingloriousbastard
Member since May 2015
917 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:41 pm to
To over-simplify, I’d say all else equal if the mortgage payment (PITI) and monthly rent are the same, the mortgage is likely better. Once the mortgage costs more than rent, it gets iffy and involves calculations based on how long you will be there and other assumptions.

A house is actually considered a poor investment long term. If you are looking to invest, then invest in actual investments.

Now, if your house payment will stay the same (iffy-taxes rise), and rent will rise, then that is another consideration.

This is all my opinion, but that’s kind of how I look at it.
This post was edited on 8/20/19 at 12:43 pm
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1817 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:44 pm to
Dirty little secret, with a small down payment you are essentially “renting from the bank” for years, but on the hook for upkeep/repairs out of pocket.
Look at a 30 amortization schedule/calculator to see this for yourself. Any significant repair/costs will negate the meager equity accrual, not to mention escrow costs.
If it is the home(and a commitment) for 30 years that is one thing, but a “starter” situation? Renting is a well justified decision
Posted by IrishHammer
Member since Aug 2019
117 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:51 pm to
Depends on the area not all real estate markets are the same. I have had very good luck buying and selling the last few years and making a lot of money each time and being able to upgrade to something better and have a lot of money left over to save or invest etc.

Have been in my current place 13 months and will be selling right at the 2 year mark to move onto something better. Market around me has been on fire going on 6 or 7 years now.
Posted by toddzilla
Gulf of Mexico
Member since Nov 2012
1596 posts
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:58 pm to
When my central AC unit went out I was thanking God that I rent...
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