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re: “You can no longer work from home”
Posted on 3/15/23 at 3:58 pm to AbitaFan08
Posted on 3/15/23 at 3:58 pm to AbitaFan08
Being retired is really flexible. I can do whatever I want from anywhere.*
^after the broken tie rod on my car is fixed
^after the broken tie rod on my car is fixed
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:01 pm to Jobin
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I’m 5 weeks into a govt job that is 5 days a week at the office. 8.5 hours a day.
How long is your commute?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:01 pm to AbitaFan08
Bunch of soft mother frickers these days.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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For one of my employees to have this attitude, they better be fricking elite. But few elite people have that attitude.
So only the most elite employees shouldn't be forced to work unpaid OT?
Yeah, frick that.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:04 pm to AbitaFan08
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If you were told working from home was no longer allowed, how would you feel about receiving work requests after business hours?
personally, i'd be thanking management for the opportunity to both get more face time and do more work. not everyone has the 10x grindset like me though.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:07 pm to Pettifogger
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I think they're going to have the worst of both - butt in seat, and more after hours work expectations.
Yeah, the asses-in-seats guys are going to need an attitude adjustment.
frick you if you think I'm going to get up from the dinner table with my family just to do some stupid thing that can wait until tomorrow.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:12 pm to AbitaFan08
If you can work from home, Abu in India can do your job.
For less.
For less.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:12 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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You’re an hourly worker? Ok never mind. Makes sense now.
Timeclock mindset, timeclock job.
So far in this thread you’ve mentioned FSLA violations, documenting e-mails from your boss for future grievance evidence and whined about even a smidgeon of extra work.
You sound like a great employee.
Good luck in the hive today worker bee!
Let me guess, you get paid a straight salary for what was assumed to be a 40-hour week yet you're working 60-hours for the same amount and somehow that makes you... smarter? Sucker.
My time is valuable, it's too bad for you that yours isn't. Let me know how that works out for you in twenty years when you're on your third marriage because the only thing you can truly commit to is being over-worked.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:20 pm to BuckyCheese
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Abu in India can do your job.
It's funny to hear this.
My last company had a big effort to offshore most of our development teams to India. 2 years later they dropped about 60% of them and hired extensively back onshore.
If you're building software with a waterfall approach that is low risk and low problem solving, where the work is clearly and directly documented in steps, Abu is your guy.
If you're solving hard problems with big solutions, you need onshore folks.
It's a balance that many folks from the outside fail to recognize.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:24 pm to BuckyCheese
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If you can work from home, Abu in India can do your job. For less.
If abu is a licensed attorney in my state, then I suppose you’re correct.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:29 pm to Bard
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Let me guess, you get paid a straight salary for what was assumed to be a 40-hour week yet you're working 60-hours for the same amount and somehow that makes you... smarter? Sucker
Lol. Far from it. I haven’t been an employee in a long time.
But what is the point of a 40-hour salaried position?
Anyone on salary should expect to work extra hours. That’s the whole point.
Otherwise they would just be hourly.
My salaried positions, mostly management and sales, work probably 50 hours on average. May be 40, May be 60. Depends on what is going on.
Serious question: you work from home as an hourly employee? Is that common?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:29 pm to thegreatboudini
Software companies looking for short term cost reduction hire in India. As one manager said, we can get 5 Indians for 1 American, but then we have to hire 3 Americans to unfrick what the 5 Indians did.
I see more hiring coming in former Soviet bloc countries like Poland or Slovakia. Those folks do good work, often speak English, and are about 3 to 1 in salary comparison to Americans.
We've had some experience with S. Americans. They have lower salaries and the time zone issues are almost non existent. Different work ethic though.
My company is trying to get people to go back into the office, but they are getting a lot of resistance. Fortunately, I'm about 1000 miles from headquarters and they closed our local office. There's no room for all of us in the small space they now have for hotelling.
I see more hiring coming in former Soviet bloc countries like Poland or Slovakia. Those folks do good work, often speak English, and are about 3 to 1 in salary comparison to Americans.
We've had some experience with S. Americans. They have lower salaries and the time zone issues are almost non existent. Different work ethic though.
My company is trying to get people to go back into the office, but they are getting a lot of resistance. Fortunately, I'm about 1000 miles from headquarters and they closed our local office. There's no room for all of us in the small space they now have for hotelling.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:31 pm to wadewilson
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So only the most elite employees shouldn't be forced to work unpaid OT?
Yeah, frick that.
I didn’t realize you guys were all clock punchers.
The employees I’m referencing would not be hourly.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Anyone on salary should expect to work extra hours. That’s the whole point.
Anyone on salary should expect to work the hours required to do their job, including less than 40 per week in some cases.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I didn’t realize you guys were all clock punchers. The employees I’m referencing would not be hourly.
I’m not hourly. I think you’re missing the point.
If an employer sends an email saying you cannot work from home anymore, then sends you emails while you’re at home and expects you to respond, how is that not hypocritical?
I actually don’t mind working in the evening. I tend to be more productive. I was just positing this question because I can see both sides of the issue.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:35 pm to AbitaFan08
Because people need to go back to a work place.
Sitting at the house wearing sleep clothes and not being in a more focused environment isn’t a good thing
Sitting at the house wearing sleep clothes and not being in a more focused environment isn’t a good thing
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Anyone on salary should expect to work the hours required to do their job, including less than 40 per week in some cases.
Sure, but hopefully a manager or sales person would not be focused on just the minimal level of just “getting the job done.”
But yes, you are generally correct.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:37 pm to AbitaFan08
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f an employer sends an email saying you cannot work from home anymore, then sends you emails while you’re at home and expects you to respond, how is that not hypocritical?
It is. I haven’t responded to that situation, at least not on purpose.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:40 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Sure, but hopefully a manager or sales person would not be focused on just the minimal level of just “getting the job done.”
But yes, you are generally correct.
Most employees worth keeping don't have an issue working extra hours when it's necessary.
It's those extra hours, plus a minimum of 40-60 hours when it's not necessary that grinds on people.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:41 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Serious question: you work from home as an hourly employee? Is that common?
Unfortunately, there's too much about my job needing me in the office to do much WFH unless we go into another lockdown. When we were locked down due to COVID I was WFH and would answer emails and such after hours, I considered it the trade-off for not having to leave the house, fight traffic, etc.
I still do after-hours work as needed, but not without compensation (my boss is adamant about that as well and I'm adamant about it with the employees under me). There's a difference between work ethic and allowing your employer to take advantage of you.
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