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re: "Y'all" is becoming more common these days

Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:37 pm to
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:37 pm to
I don't know where the OP is getting his information, but in my experience this isn't true at all.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:38 pm to
I remember when I was much much younger and was a head waiter at a nicer fine dinning establishment people would get written up for using the word "Y'all" at a table. This was in Nola so it wasn't like it was uncommon to hear. It also wasn't Baton Rouge or Shreveport either..... But it does seem much more prevalent and accepted around the city now even in the finer establishments..... I think it has more to do with people being less pretentious and putting their focus on the things that actually matter in the world.

Like if we stick with the food world for example, it's now less about having to wear a coat and more about the quality and execution of the dish.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

Like if we stick with the food world for example, it's now less about having to wear a coat and more about the quality and execution of the dish.



And all was right with the world.

I hated fine dining.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:41 pm to
Sweet tea is available in more places too.

ETA: For years you had to go to a Home Cooked, Soul Food or chicken restaurant to find it. None of the fast food chains except for Popeyes, Church's or a local place like Williams Chicken in Dallas or Southern Classic Chicken in North Louisiana had it..
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 7:54 pm
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:44 pm to
quote:

hated fine dining.

i you are talking about entry level job while in school? Yeah I pretty much loathed fine dining and loved most other restaurant jobs throughout the years.

But when it comes to eating these day? Man I love me some upscale dining where I get to fill my belly with the best of the best and stuff I'll most likely never get to try again for a long long while. Pretty solid entertainment and usually worth every dollar If you do the proper research and know what you enjoy.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:08 pm to
side question, do black people generally use "yall" no matter where they are born?

I was listening to "CREAM" by Wu-tank a while back and they say "dollar dollar bills yall". It caught my ear.

Since then I heard a few other rappers use it. I live in the South and don't travel north much so I don't really now.
Posted by WildcatMike
Lexington, KY
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:12 pm to
In my neck of the woods my kin folk say y'all all the time. We fixin to score some white lightin down yonder in the hollars. You hear me son?
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 8:14 pm
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:14 pm to
Damn yankees appropriating our culture
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:29 pm to
I blame it on the popularity of bro country
Posted by chinese58
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

do black people generally use "yall" no matter where they are born?


quote:

In contemporary New York City, it is common to hear local teenagers use the word “y’all.” A few decades ago, this word would have been confined to speakers of African American Vernacular English (AAVE), who brought the word with them from the American South. Yet nowadays, with the spread of AAVE, the word has been adopted by young New Yorkers of every ethnicity under the sun.

But where did this strange little word come from? The answer reveals a remarkable (and unlikely) story of language dispersion.

If you’re a little confused about what “y’all” means, you’re not alone. Even people who get the basic jist of “y’all” don’t grasp its grammatical purpose. The word is a “second person plural,” meaning it is a plural version of “you.” So, for example, in the American South (where “y’all” is most widespread) somebody would say:

“You want to go to the store?” if they were talking to a single person. Or,
“Y’all want to go to the store?” if they were talking to a group of people.

How “y’all” got to New York City is quite obvious: at several points in the Twentieth Century, African Americans moved to northern cities like New York for industrial jobs, and brought this dialect word with them from the South. No big mystery there.

But where did “y’all” come from in the first place? A fews years back, historian David Parker explored this question on his blog. For an answer he looked to linguist Michael Montgomery:

…Montgomery claims that “y’all” goes back to the Scots-Irish phrase “ye aw,” and he offers as evidence a letter written in 1737 by an Irish immigrant in New York to a friend back home: “Now I beg of ye aw to come over here.” As I understand Montgomery’s hypothesis, “ye aw” was Americanized into “y’all,” which is indeed a contraction of “you all” but would not have come into being without the influence of the Scots-Irish phrase.

I see little reason for doubting Montgomery’s hypothesis. ...


The Remarkable History of Ya'll

Another slang phrase that I've heard from both hood and hick folks is,"and them."

As in "Mamma and them" or "Aunt Janice and them". Of course they will pronounce "Aunt" differently.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 9:04 pm to
I hear it a lot in L.A.
Posted by SwatMitchell
Austin, TX
Member since Jan 2005
2334 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 9:27 pm to
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Well since you guys is sexist, I guess y'all has been right all along.


I agree that a contraction for "You all" is more proper than a gender specific term, unless one is actually speaking to a group of guys/males.

A simple "You" is grammatically correct but confusing as to whether one is addressing an individual or a group.
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