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re: WSJ: Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?

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Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:58 pm to
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Then the bodies should be piling up, right?


No, because it is being prescribed at the approved doses.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23045 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 12:59 pm to
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You guys will inject something you buy at the Tractor Supply store but wont take a vaccine.


To be fair, you wouldn’t inject the livestock version. You would I eat it and I’ve heard it is a delightful apple flavor. Secondly, why would you even need to use the animal version if you can easily get a prescription for it.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71562 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:00 pm to
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You guys will inject something you buy at the Tractor Supply store but wont take a vaccine.

To be fair, the stuff at the Tractor Supply has seen a whole lot more vetting than the vaccines.

That isn't debatable at all. Unless you're Powerman, anyway.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 1:01 pm
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23045 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:04 pm to
I’ll say this, if you are using Ivermectin as a preventative out of fear of getting Covid for an extended period of time then I think you should just go ahead and get the vaccine.

Taking that stuff for a year I think would be problematic. Taking it for a few days when symptoms start up is really nothing to be concerned with if your are concerned about issues bc of taking ivermectin.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7822 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:05 pm to
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Pfizer tweeted yesterday that they are developing a new antiviral to pair with their vaccine. This gravy train won't ever stop.


of all the pharmaceutical companies out there to bash, and list includes most of them, Pfizer is one of the few that actually does a good job and doesn't artificially inflate drug prices.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18866 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:06 pm to
There is little evidence that Ivermectin does anything.

LINK



LINK
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
73584 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:07 pm to
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This gravy train won't ever stop.



Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6805 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:07 pm to
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There is little evidence that Ivermectin does anything.



Which is why it doesn't make sense why two economists who wrote the article in the OP would have such an opinion as to Ivermectin being effective.
Posted by RazorBroncs
Possesses the largest
Member since Sep 2013
15781 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:07 pm to
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LOL but you won't take the vaccine because the FDA hasn't given it full use authorization right? ?



You realize you're comparing this to ivermectin, which has been through rigorous FDA processes and ised for decades... right?

You're proving the very point you lambast, idiot
Posted by Animal
Member since Dec 2017
4341 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:07 pm to
There are only about 400k Americans that have died of Covid since that was published.

How many might have been saved. Why are relatives of those folks not stringing some of these information suppressors up?
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7822 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:08 pm to
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That isn't debatable at all.


If you mean it isn't debatable because it's such a ridiculously asinine statement that it isn't even worth the time, money, or education it would take to get you to a level where you understand basic logic in a mediocre way. Then yes you are correct
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71562 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:10 pm to
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You realize you're comparing this to ivermectin, which has been through rigorous FDA processes and ised for decades... right?

No, he doesn't realize that. He still believes it is a "valid point".

All I'm saying is that his "You will put this drug that has a half century of data into your body but you won't take this brand new, experimental unapproved vaccine that has less than a year of data in your body?" is complete and total bullshite. It is a disingenuous non-starter to the debate Powerman is trying to have.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44211 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:11 pm to
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I'm surprised any pharmacy would accept a script for a toxic drug


hyperbole much?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:11 pm to
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I’ll say this, if you are using Ivermectin as a preventative out of fear of getting Covid for an extended period of time then I think you should just go ahead and get the vaccine.

Taking that stuff for a year I think would be problematic. Taking it for a few days when symptoms start up is really nothing to be concerned with if your are concerned about issues bc of taking ivermectin.



In a general sense I agree with this 100%. However the main problem with this entire COVID communications debacle is treatment specifics for the same disease is different for all people. Some people are very healthy and have very high risk tolerance. Some people are on the verge of dying and very low risk tolerance. Thus, treatment plans should vary accordingly.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71562 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:12 pm to
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If you mean it isn't debatable because it's such a ridiculously asinine statement that it isn't even worth the time, money, or education it would take to get you to a level where you understand basic logic in a mediocre way. Then yes you are correct

Sorry, you didn't refute anything I said. You typed alot, though. So, good job on that, I guess.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103122 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:14 pm to
Because companies who spend billions to get a new drug to market hate someone who uses an existing one which has had its patent expire.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6805 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:15 pm to
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You typed alot, though


lol that text could fit in a tweet
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18866 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:15 pm to
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However the main problem with this entire COVID communications debacle is treatment specifics for the same disease is different for all people. Some people are very healthy and have very high risk tolerance. Some people are on the verge of dying and very low risk tolerance. Thus, treatment plans should vary accordingly.


One thing to consider in these drug trials is that

1) They typically only test patients at a very specific point in the infection. So only patients that were recently exposed or perhaps only patients that have sever symptoms.

2) Treatment in these trials follow standard of care protocols. There is no individualized treatment based on other factors.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6805 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:16 pm to
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It’s not an opinion article.


lmfao yes it is

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Also:
Mr. Henderson, a research fellow with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, was senior health economist with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers. Mr. Hooper is president of Objective Insights, a firm that consults with pharmaceutical clients.


Who gives af? Are we taking medical advice from economists now?
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71562 posts
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:17 pm to
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lol that text could fit in a tweet

You still said absolutely nothing.
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