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re: WSJ: student loans restrictions coming for schools with bad graduate repayment data

Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:33 pm to
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:33 pm to
Goodbye HBCUs
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62482 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:34 pm to
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IDK about now, but HBCU's were exempt from this type of action years ago.
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
15119 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:35 pm to
The federal government shouldn't be in the student loan business to begin with. Get rid of it and watch tuition prices nosedive.
Posted by TheSadvocate
North Shore
Member since Aug 2020
4638 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:36 pm to
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I never understand why people think it’s fair to not pay back borrowed money.



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Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6432 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:45 pm to
Some kind of combination of value based loan restrictions (i.e. restricting funds for poor performing colleges/universities or restricting funds for degrees with poor payback), along with possible caps for said degrees/colleges would help greatly.

Everyone should have an opportunity to have education and advance themselves especially from poor or middle class families. However, you shouldn't have free range to go 200k in debt for an art degree to go work at Starbucks and expect the govt to pay it off because oops.

Some may say that the above is picking winners and losers. But the general populace is stupid, so Some direction into careers that are either nationally needed or have higher success rates is warranted if taxpayers are backing it.

You want to pursue something riskier, then get an education on your on dime or private backed loan if you can find someone dumb enough to loan it to you.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18710 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 8:55 pm to
It should be based on market need across the board. Taxpayers shouldn’t have to finance your fricking arts degree.
Posted by Bunsbert Montcroff
Phoenix AZ / Boise ID
Member since Jan 2008
5729 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 9:33 pm to
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It should be based on market need across the board. Taxpayers shouldn’t have to finance your fricking arts degree.

Arts and Gender Studies are remarkably cheap compared to STEM degrees. Charge less tuition for cheap degrees like art degrees, problem solved.
Posted by Eternally Undefeated
Member since Aug 2008
934 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 9:34 pm to
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I think part of the reason tuition cost so much in general. The government will loan you the money so raise the tuition rates.


Bingo! The colleges are the ones who took advantage of the availability of unlimited student loans.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
24991 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 9:48 pm to
This should be extended to college majors also.
Posted by piratedude
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2009
2765 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 10:34 pm to
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Tax debt is not dischargable.


Some tax debt is non-dischargeable. Priority taxes (typically taxes owed on returns filed in the last 2-3 years) are not dischargeable, but other taxes can be discharged.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
72855 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 11:21 pm to
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
78841 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 12:22 am to
WINNING!

Schools with high tuition and useless majors will get killed.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
41965 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 12:49 am to
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Goodbye HBCUs


I would bet they exclude HBCUs from this
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31271 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 4:14 am to
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If the gov’t stopped guaranteeing loans (which I fervently support that they cease), then the bloated academia/admin will go the way of the dinosaur.

So what are you going to about the American business climate? For the last 30+ years business has shifted to require degrees for just about everything. They did this to eliminate the need for training and true internship. And it’s way cheaper to have the employee take on the training and prep expense. Because then you have the conundrum of spending money training an employee and then worrying about how to keep them.

If you make college unaffordable, it may one day correct the issue, but are you also going to make businesses change too?

It’s a shitty problem we’ve caused for ourselves.
Posted by BHS78
Member since May 2017
3381 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 4:17 am to
Because they never would have qualified for a loan from a private lender. Do you think anyone would pay back their loan if they could just declare bankruptcy when they got out of school?
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47846 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 5:16 am to
Love what I am hearing so far - I have always advocated that only the Universities themselves should finance those student loans - they know what they are teaching and whether or not it is worth the cost of the tuition. Let THEM monitor that student's progress and determine if the investment is worth it.

Any of these 'art majors' who take minimum hours for six years is a BAD investment for someone who expects them to pay it back. The university is the one who controls all that - let them make the determination if what they are financing is worth the risk.

If the "juice is not worth the squeeze" - then don't lend them the money in the first place.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
135354 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 5:20 am to
Man, what a 100 days
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33203 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 6:00 am to
Well, of course not. This (debt forgiveness/default) is likely considered ok because of the reparation-minded folks leading it.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
20381 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 6:12 am to
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I would be genuinely curious to see the default rates by university. I can think of tons of possible patterns and correlations.

Me too and it's going to be really ugly.
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2191 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 6:14 am to
They should end student loans and require two years of federal service, with pay (min wage) to get 4 years of college payments. This would delay the people going to school until they were 20 and 21 and give a bunch of short term workforce to many agencies, national parks, DOD etc and train kids on how to live and be responsible before they go to university. Then, pay their tuition/room/meals for 8 semesters. They don't have debt we get work from the young folks and they go into school a bit more mature and with some experience behind them.

All agencies, this is not a draft, it's voluntary and the jobs don't turn into permanent positions.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 6:16 am
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