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re: WSJ piece about Jill Biden gets author cancelled from Northwestern
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:34 am to TheRouxGuru
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:34 am to TheRouxGuru
quote:He wasn’t cancelled though.
So you agree that this author should be cancelled?
He hasn’t worked at Northwestern in nearly 2 decades.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:34 am to BorrisMart
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Baw I am not putting opinions anywhere near the realm of fact/logic.
But the "I'm entitled to my opinions" line of reasoning is a fallacy.
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You are trying to correlate opinion
You don't seem to be able to make a distinction between claims of preference and claims of experience. Moe specifically, the claim we could "prove" in a sense, is the claim he makes about relaxation of standards. That is a very specific claim to make, and the author doesn't seem to understand the gravity of it, or the scale of what he is proposing.
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As far as logical fallacy, wouldn't you say the MSM is guilty of equivocation
In general the media does do this a lot.
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how about these false attribution's you're throwing at me clearly based on your own empirical observations.
Read your first post you made in this thread. You literally invented something out of nothing.
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when all of your circular language is premised upon "im getting a masters, I'm involved, so I know more than this author." Which is a fallacy in of itself.
I'm getting two doctorates, and I've said specifically, with regards to only the relaxation of standards, that I don’t see this relaxation from my own perspective. Epstein doesn't explain what he means there, instead continuing his logorrhea with an idiotic aside about honorary doctorates, which is highly ironic. Maybe I would agree that doctorates are less prestigious, but I'm not taking issue with that specific part of the argument. Epstein's claim of a relaxation of standards is my specific issue, and it is a claim repeated often in different circles, without any clarity on what these people mean, or if there is any introspection on whether the claim is even possibly true. He doesn't offer evidence for the claim, instead relying on the reader's own experience, which I am.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:37 am to Antonio Moss
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If we are going to call doctorates of Education “Dr.” then we should do the same with lawyers.
Joe is therefore also Dr. Biden. Great.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:47 am to arkyhawk
quote:She doesn't even have a Ph.D. It's an Ed.D. in educational leadership. A professional degree. While she's entitled to the "Dr." honorific prefix, to constantly reference it in anything other than a professional capacity is ridiculous. Her twitter handle is DrBiden for pete's sake.
It was a pretty ridiculous take
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:50 am to crazy4lsu
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I'm getting two doctorates
In what? Where?
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:57 am to Mo Jeaux
MD/Ph.D at a large east coast university. Ph.D is classed under "biology" but my focus is on genetics.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 8:59 am to KemoSabe65
Don’t forget Dr. Pepper!
Posted on 12/14/20 at 9:00 am to VolsOut4Harambe
I don't see the problem, she's not a Dr.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 9:04 am to Centinel
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No, she has an EdD. And while yes that entitles her to the "Dr." prefix, the issue is that she is being presented as "Dr. Biden" to the public. The only time a PhD or EdD is referred to as "Doctor" is in academic realm. This is causing people to believe she is a medical doctor. And the media damn well knows it.
My bad, I thought it was. Ph.D. You are right.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 9:06 am to crazy4lsu
Well, as to the claim of "relaxation of standards;" that is the author's opinion. Sure, you might could prove from an admissions standpoint as schools that there has been a shift in the rigidity of the admissions criteria, so a more forgiving and inclusive admission threshold for applicants. However, it appears that he is saying that in his perception there has been a relaxation of standards, which in many cases is hardly debatable. Higher learning institutions are definitely letting as many people as they can in, in order to make more money. This is coupled with the fact that a much larger population percentage now has undergraduate, and accordingly, doctorates than days of old. This is all field specific though, as there are always going to be a few specific fields that are unattainable to an average person; however, a doctorate of education is not one of them.
Also, if you are putting everything down based off of a perceived fallacy I have put forth ("entitled to my own opinions fallacy"), I would suggest that presupposing that an assertion is false merely because of the presence, or perceived presence, of a fallacy, is in fact a fallacy. This is the problem with analyzing fallacies, there is more than often than not a never ending pattern of showing a fallacy. It doesn't disprove anything. But I return to my initial assertion, which that there is really nothing to "prove" when opinions are involved.
Ahh the basis of your posts are becoming more apparent. Don't you got some finals baw.
Also, if you are putting everything down based off of a perceived fallacy I have put forth ("entitled to my own opinions fallacy"), I would suggest that presupposing that an assertion is false merely because of the presence, or perceived presence, of a fallacy, is in fact a fallacy. This is the problem with analyzing fallacies, there is more than often than not a never ending pattern of showing a fallacy. It doesn't disprove anything. But I return to my initial assertion, which that there is really nothing to "prove" when opinions are involved.
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at a large east coast university
Ahh the basis of your posts are becoming more apparent. Don't you got some finals baw.
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 9:07 am
Posted on 12/14/20 at 9:17 am to BorrisMart
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Don't you got some finals baw.
Nah, the pandemic meant we went through the entire curriculum in 8 months time, so we were done first week of December. Going to do another pass-through in the spring, then boards.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 9:54 am to Klark Kent
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write completely false hit piece about Trump’s family - get a promotion
write a critique of a Biden, Clinton, OBama, or Kamala - plan on losing your job and being shamed publicly.
These are Revolutionary times for the USA.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:29 am to Scruffy
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Scruffy would wager that if you took a poll of US citizens, at minimum, 50% would think she were an MD.
Honestly, I did.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:04 am to CrownTownHalo
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Look, i have no problem calling a phd Dr.____, especially in a professional setting, school, etc.
But I literally heard media saying “Jill Biden is a doctor”, or “She’s a doctor”...no, she’s a PhD. (That teaches elementary school)
IMO then that's on people who make that assumption, not on the person with the PhD or EdD that has earned the title.
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:05 am to Scruffy
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Scruffy would wager that if you took a poll of US citizens, at minimum, 50% would think she were an MD.
I'd take the over.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:06 am to BluegrassBelle
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:07 am to Scruffy
I already edited, thanks.
Ok, then it's on the media. The whole point of the article was to shite on her for using the title. That's not on her (or anyone else that chooses to use the title). It wasn't an honorary degree.
Ok, then it's on the media. The whole point of the article was to shite on her for using the title. That's not on her (or anyone else that chooses to use the title). It wasn't an honorary degree.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:08 am to BluegrassBelle
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:15 am to VolsOut4Harambe
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He also argues that earning a Ph.D. “may once have held prestige, but that has been diminished by the erosion of seriousness and the relaxation of standards in university education generally.”
But Jill doesn’t have a PhD.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:47 am to VolsOut4Harambe
A PhD (or other non-medical doctorate) is cool.
Those with PhDs insisting that all others reference them with the honorarium prefix of ‘Dr.’ are pretentious, at best.
Those who believe that anyone with a PhD and who insists upon the usage of the honorarium ‘Dr.’ has special powers of imagination and insight into purely medical matters are prolly mostly stupid fricks that are lucky if they got their GED...
Those with PhDs insisting that all others reference them with the honorarium prefix of ‘Dr.’ are pretentious, at best.
Those who believe that anyone with a PhD and who insists upon the usage of the honorarium ‘Dr.’ has special powers of imagination and insight into purely medical matters are prolly mostly stupid fricks that are lucky if they got their GED...
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 11:50 am
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