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WSJ: How Hydrogen, the Fuel of the Future, Got Bogged Down in the Bayou

Posted on 6/9/25 at 8:49 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 8:49 am
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The chief executive of Air Products & Chemicals visited the Louisiana governor’s mansion in 2021 to unveil the industrial-gases supplier’s biggest-ever investment: a $4.5 billion facility that would make the fuel of the future by the Mississippi River.

Seifi Ghasemi’s plan was to produce hydrogen from natural gas, capture the carbon dioxide, pipe it through wildlife-rich wetland and sequester it below picturesque Lake Maurepas.


Ghasemi had a grand vision. Beyond its regular uses in oil refining and ammonia for fertilizers, hydrogen would power buses, trucks, trains, ships, planes and steel mills after the plant opened in 2026, he predicted.

Nearly five years after his visit, the project’s price tag has swelled to $8 billion, the construction timeline has slipped and the company is still seeking customers. Ghasemi has been ousted as CEO, and his successor is reining in spending.

The idea that low-carbon hydrogen could replace oil and gas in many applications was taking off when Ghasemi visited Baton Rouge, La., as politicians and executives were vowing to slash emissions.

But sentiment has since soured. This fossil-fuel alternative remains stubbornly expensive, and governments in the U.S. and elsewhere have shied away from putting their weight behind it.

The tax bill approved by House Republicans would cut off hydrogen production tax credits, part of an effort to undo many Biden-era climate programs and reduce funding for wind and solar power. President Trump, meanwhile, has cast himself as the savior of U.S. oil and gas.

Companies that once looked like early movers—such as the steel producer ArcelorMittal and Airbus, the plane maker—have delayed plans to use hydrogen.

“The main challenge right now is finding buyers,” said Martin Tengler, a BloombergNEF analyst who estimates that just 4% of the announced low-carbon hydrogen production capacity had secured funding as of 2024.


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Today, most hydrogen is extracted from natural gas, a process that adds carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. There are two main alternative methods—and Air Products pursued both.

The Louisiana plant intends to make blue hydrogen. It is produced the traditional way, but the carbon is captured and kept out of the atmosphere—forever, if possible. Green hydrogen is made by splitting water into oxygen and hydrogen using renewable electricity.

Blue hydrogen is more controversial. Carbon-capture facilities often catch less pollution than hoped—Air Products says it will capture more than 95%—and using natural gas ties this ostensible climate solution to a source of emissions.

The House tax bill would eliminate tax credits for hydrogen production, which would kill most green-hydrogen projects, Tengler expects, but not the carbon-capture credits that benefit blue-hydrogen producers.

“It was a feeding frenzy” of a wave of blue-hydrogen projects that were drawn to Louisiana by tax credits and rocks suitable for storing carbon dioxide, said Corinne Van Dalen, a lawyer at the nonprofit Earthjustice.


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In Louisiana, Air Products is trying to limit its exposure. Its risky strategy was criticized by activist investors who began calling for a change of course last year.

The company is now seeking buyers for the ammonia-production and carbon-sequestration parts of the project, which could reduce its share of the cost by as much as $3 billion, Menezes said. Work won’t continue until customers are found.

Van Dalen, the environmental lawyer, would be pleased if Air Products’ vision for the bayou crumbles. The hydrogen-production site is near a school, and the 40-mile carbon-dioxide pipeline would pass through rare wetland occupied by ospreys, largemouth bass and migratory birds.

At Lake Maurepas, the plan to sequester carbon dioxide is troubling to some nature lovers and crabbers. Air Products says it consulted with government agencies on its project and is funding environmental-monitoring efforts.

While Menezes looks for customers, Ghasemi’s legacy in Louisiana can be seen in projects funded through Air Products’ $1 million-a-year plan to secure communities’ support, such as $200,000 for Lake Maurepas field trips and $50,000 for neutering feral cats.


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Long article that also discussed projects and challenges in the Middle East and Europe, so just included the Louisiana-discussed snips.
Posted by Shexter
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 8:53 am to
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Seifi Ghasemi


I'm gonna guess he's not from Louisiana and probably doesn't give two chits about the environment in this state.

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Seifi Ghasemi was born to be an energy industry leader. His schooling began in the 1950s in Iran where he earned his stripes in a refinery

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Ghasemi got his undergraduate degree from the Abadan Institute of Technology in Iran, where the “purpose of that school was to train people who knew enough about the refinery to become future managers,” Ghasemi told Fortune. He then left Iran in 1966 to earn his master’s degree in mechanical engineering from Stanford University before marrying his New Yorker wife, Ellen


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Posted by slidingstop
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 8:58 am to
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Nearly five years after his visit, the project’s price tag has swelled to $8 billion, the construction timeline has slipped and the company is still seeking customers. Ghasemi has been ousted as CEO, and his successor is reining in spending.


sounds like he had a grand idea for an expensive product no one wanted to buy. Why is this a story?
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:01 am to
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picturesque Lake Maurepas.

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:12 am to
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Why is this a story?


Maybe not a big story when talking about the grand scheme of projects nationwide or worldwide. However, it was supposedly a very large investment in Louisiana. A couple of my friends were doing some of the AP prep work for this stuff, along with alot of other Louisiana residents.

So guess in my personal opinion, I thought it reasonable to post on a Louisiana message board.
Posted by slidingstop
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:19 am to
I'm not questioning you for posting it, I'm wondering why WSJ would write it. Unless they are taking an interest in our state because of the recent litigation against Chevron. Louisiana doesn't usually garner a lot of attention from national news.

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the Fuel of the Future, Got Bogged Down in the Bayou



apparently its not the fuel of the future if they can't find customers interested in it.



Please don't think I'm questioning you. I enjoy the articles you bring to tOT.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:23 am to
The people of Louisiana don't want carbon dioxide stored underground, but they're completely okay with all kinds of toxic shite stored in salt domes.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:25 am to
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SuperSaint


Lake Maurepas is very picturesque. Not sure what's funny about that.

There is actually a fairly decent population of swallow-tailed kites and bald eagles out there these days, as well.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:25 am to
I see WSJ made it 5 paragraphs before they started blaming Republicans. Liberal rag.

My concern with this thing was that they were going to “store” billions of gallons of CO2 “forever” underground. What happens when that leaks or ruptures?
Posted by SantaFe
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:25 am to
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Ghasemi got his undergraduate degree from the Abadan Institute of Technology in Iran, where the “purpose of that school was to train people who knew enough about the refinery to become future managers,” Ghasemi told Fortune. He then left Iran in 1966 to earn his master’s degree in mechanical engineering from Stanford University before marrying his New Yorker wife, Ellen


If he really has a master's in Mechanical Engineering then he should be fully aware of the difficulties in handling/storage of Hydrogen gas.

There is a good reason why you don't see cars and trucks using hydrogen gas as a fuel source. You just can't put it in a fuel tank like diesel or gasoline. Hydrogen is the smallest atom and under pressure it will pass through thin walled steel tanks. To hold it in storage under pressure it requires a thick walled steel tank which is heavy. To store more in a such a tank it has to be chilled to a low temp and this drives up the cost even more. In a crash it is more likely to explode much easier than gasoline.
It is more difficult for the public to fill up with at a service station than typical gasoline, and one tiny spark can blow up an entire Race Trac.

Someone lost a ton of money on this project/scam.

Also I once thought that these Ivy League types to be super smart. I guess many of us were fooled.
Posted by slidingstop
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:27 am to
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The people of Louisiana don't want carbon dioxide stored underground, but they're completely okay with all kinds of toxic shite stored in salt domes.


like what?
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
25226 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:30 am to


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I'm wondering why WSJ would write it. Unless they are taking an interest in our state because of the recent litigation against Chevron.


It sure would be nice for national publications like WSJ to put spotlights on the Chevron suit result and the legacy suit challenges for industry in Louisiana. Might get those politicians in Baton Rouge who claim to be pro-O&G and Petrochem to work to do something about the litigation environment.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
25226 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:30 am to
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I see WSJ made it 5 paragraphs before they started blaming Republicans. Liberal rag.


What are Republicans being blamed for?
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:43 am to
Meh on the idea that Lake Maurepas would become a bubbling CO2 fountain. This is no different than the Abita hippies anti fracking campaign. Just another bunch of clueless being led by envirowhackos akin to Monsanto and glyphosate is all about ambulance chasers polluting public thinking, not that it doesn't hurt anything and is approved in Europe.

The problem is that hydrogen/methane blends in pipelines in theory not how it works in practice. An EPC client jumped feet first into obtaining contract for demonstration towns only because how much money was being thrown at it. It doesn't work as theorized at all.
Posted by slidingstop
Member since Jan 2025
755 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:49 am to
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Might get those politicians in Baton Rouge who claim to be pro-O&G and Petrochem to work to do something about the litigation environment.


brother you know they wont do jack shite because they are ALL getting paid by lobbyists for trial lawyers. Even those being paid by lobbyists for O&G/Petrochem are not going to stop the trial lawyers. its just one big game. There isn't a single politician at the state or federal level looking out for anyone or anything unless they are being subsidized for it.
And I believe that is the case in every state. Not just here.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:57 am to
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My concern with this thing was that they were going to “store” billions of gallons of CO2 “forever” underground. What happens when that leaks or ruptures?

The pressure and geology down 1 mile + below the lake solidifies the CO2
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 9:59 am to
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I'm not questioning you for posting it, I'm wondering why WSJ would write it.
Possibly timed hit piece with Air Products air permit that is supposed to be issued any day now. That will allow them to continue with the project
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:02 am to
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The pressure and geology down 1 mile + below the lake solidifies the CO2


Great what happens when the formation ruptures and cant maintain pressure?

I came here to say hydrogen is fricking stupid and makes ethanol look brilliant
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81736 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:12 am to
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Great what happens when the formation ruptures and cant maintain pressure?

Hmm so we talking San Andreas fault type event in Louisiana? When there are minimal to no fault lines under the lake? Makes sense
Posted by Texas Tea 123
Member since Sep 2017
252 posts
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:46 am to
"Clean" Hydrogen is by far the most expensive form of energy.. the fact that it got so much traction during the Biden admin is quite telling (in the war between platitudes and physics, physics is undefeated)
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