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re: WSJ "Article" Blames men for dating problems.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:38 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:38 am to CharlesLSU
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What we bear witness to is the decline of the human race (low birth rates being surpassed by the death rate) perpetuated by feminism. In the end, we become justifiably extinct.
I dont think youre wrong… BUT i think there is a happy medium to be had, and i dont think that fewer people overall is a bad thing…. Have you tried going to any beach on pretty much any weekend lately ? Have you tried driving on the interstate at pretty much any time of day ?? There are simply way, way too many people.. Now we can have conversations , and there have been many conversations on here about exactly WHERE these huge populations are living and WHO we want breeding, and who is entitled to survival, while the rest die off etc etc etc… but the bottom line is that the planet currently has 8 Billion people on it, and it’s unsustainable IMO .
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:39 am to glassart
quote:what's that have to do with the price of tea in China again?
I’m just putting this out there. It’s true.
Every job that I have ever had since I started working at 14 years old has had a woman stealing from work. Every job. On mother’s day a woman and her black boyfriend tried to steal cattle from us.
Anyway
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:40 am to SuperSaint
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what's that have to do with the price of tea in China again?
The price of tea goes up when women are stealing it. Duh.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:42 am to Lsupimp
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I think a lot of older single dudes who DO have resources and who can date successfully keep getting hit up by younger women in the most basic bitch transactional way. He thought he had a promising relationship with a good human being and the next thing he knows he’s getting hit up for car repairs or rent money. And this is essentially demoralizing for many men because they realize their value is primarily just as a human ATM
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by Lsupimp
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:42 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:You're probably right. I've noticed there's just as many simp fathers out there as toxic mothers. What they don't realize is this has a huge effect on their sons.
she's 18 it's already too late. I'd imagine he already showered her in a lifetime of yeses. ?
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:53 am to BK Lounge
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but the bottom line is that the planet currently has 8 Billion people on it, and it’s unsustainable IMO .
That's not true. The problem is how we use our resources and how our cities are organized.
If you look close enough you notice the modern world is basically an updated version of the old world.
Brazil with cities on the coast centered on exploration and not actual societal building.
Egypt built around the Nile River because of its importance to travel/commerce.
The problem isn't that the earth can't handle this many people, the problem is it can't handle this many people living the current way that they live.
Just like the US continuing to protect the world even post Cold war without ever updating, the whole world is still setup for a far smaller population.
With that being said, China is set to have a population half of what it is now in a few decades.
Russia will be smaller
Japan is always getting smaller
South American birth rates have plummeted
Korea
Etc.
It's only Africa that seems to be growing and that's in large part because of western interventions.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:55 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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There are millions of 18-30 something women who are fat as frick and expect a 6’2 guy with a six figure income
I agree with you. But who are those women dating? No one? Short-term side pieces for bored guys who fit that description?
Unless they hit the lottery and find a submissive guy with a BBW fetish who also happens to be rich, good-looking, and tall, those are the only two options I see.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 8:56 am to Keys Open Doors
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I agree with you. But who are those women dating? No one? Short-term side pieces for bored guys who fit that description?
Unless they hit the lottery and find a submissive guy with a BBW fetish who also happens to be rich, good-looking, and tall, those are the only two options I see
Those women can get sex easily. Fat slob women can get laid anytime they want nearly.
If you go out in public there's plenty of fat slob women married with kids.
How many married fat slob men do you see?
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 8:58 am
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:00 am to tiggerthetooth
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I’m thinking these women didn’t make efforts to be hot so that random 5’9” middle class joes could get them. The whole reason independent women are a thing is because they didn’t like the selection of men they had
I’ve been happily married for a while so I am probably not the best person to ponder this. But I think the point that some of the single posters are trying to make us that the expectation is for the women to be a perfect 10 in looks while completely average or below in career ambitions and personality. But the expectation for a guy is to be far more rounded and excellent in every way.
Not a reasonable standard. And not a healthy one. A guy that’s a 10 across the board will get plenty of attention. But the girl who isn’t as well rounded will get dumped the second a better specimen comes along.
And I think this insta/swipe or like online dating app adds fuel to the selfishness fire that’s already burning hot with Americans today. You can’t really understand someone with an virtual elevator pitch like that. Women struggle to be pragmatic and men struggle to be patient in normal circumstances. This rapid fire virtual dating bullshite is going to lead to women over vaulting themselves and annoyed men just taking their ball and going home. Everyone will end up playing this smoke and mirrors game - and that is going to be an advantage for women 90% of the time too.
Just my $0.02. My generation had it better. The younger ones are totally screwed - especially those that should have been developing their social skills during the government imposed Covid lockdowns. Get off the swipe or click dating apps. Definitely don’t pay for them.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:05 am to dewster
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I think the point that some of the single posters are trying to make us that the expectation is for the women to be a perfect 10 in looks while completely average or below in career ambitions and personality. But the expectation for a guy is to be far more rounded and excellent in every way.
Reality says this is a lie.
Male standards for women are quite possibly lower than ever.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:10 am to tiggerthetooth
This is very off topic but the US is actually doing okay on the population front.
In the next 70 years, the Chinese population will drop 50 percent. India will tick up 10 percent, which is a good increase imo.
The US will be up about 15 percent, Germany will decline about 15 percent, France will decline about 6-7 percent, Australia will rise about 30 percent but they have plenty of space, and Norway, Austria, Denmark, Sweden and Switzerland will all increase in the low double digits.
Finland and the Netherlands will drop a comparable amount.
Brazil will drop about 15 percent and Mexico will drop about 10 percent.
The demographic disasters (besides China) are Russia, Japan (40 percent drop), Spain (35 percent drop), South Korea (52!), and Italy (down 45 percent).
Southeast Asia will be good to go, with Vietnam taking a small drop, the Philippines rising gradually, etc
The Middle East isn’t too wild besides Yemen and Afghanistan. Iran will drop about 10 percent, Saudi Arabia will rise 20-25 percent, UAE will go up a little more than that, etc.
The most developed African countries will also do pretty well in this.
The places to watch are the least developed African countries. Tanzania, Mozambique, Cameroon, Mali, Sudan, and Angola will all triple.
The DRC will quadruple, and Niger is projected to rise six fold.
I think projecting populations in these types of countries is always a challenge because they have such high infant mortality rates, but even if they are off by a good margin, it is an incredible rise by 2100.
In the next 70 years, the Chinese population will drop 50 percent. India will tick up 10 percent, which is a good increase imo.
The US will be up about 15 percent, Germany will decline about 15 percent, France will decline about 6-7 percent, Australia will rise about 30 percent but they have plenty of space, and Norway, Austria, Denmark, Sweden and Switzerland will all increase in the low double digits.
Finland and the Netherlands will drop a comparable amount.
Brazil will drop about 15 percent and Mexico will drop about 10 percent.
The demographic disasters (besides China) are Russia, Japan (40 percent drop), Spain (35 percent drop), South Korea (52!), and Italy (down 45 percent).
Southeast Asia will be good to go, with Vietnam taking a small drop, the Philippines rising gradually, etc
The Middle East isn’t too wild besides Yemen and Afghanistan. Iran will drop about 10 percent, Saudi Arabia will rise 20-25 percent, UAE will go up a little more than that, etc.
The most developed African countries will also do pretty well in this.
The places to watch are the least developed African countries. Tanzania, Mozambique, Cameroon, Mali, Sudan, and Angola will all triple.
The DRC will quadruple, and Niger is projected to rise six fold.
I think projecting populations in these types of countries is always a challenge because they have such high infant mortality rates, but even if they are off by a good margin, it is an incredible rise by 2100.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:17 am to tiggerthetooth
I realize that my social circle isn’t necessarily representative of the US in general, but I don’t think a single one of my friends is married to a fat female slob. Maybe one, which is borderline.
If you flip it around and ask how many desirable women are married to chubby guys, I would say a quarter.
The rest are with people who are roughy the same in terms of looks. Almost all are with partners that have comparable education (usually a graduate degrees, occasionally a BA/BS).
The last part is why that isn’t a representative sample.
The three times a year I got to the mall, I see what you’re saying, but it isn’t exactly commonplace.
If you flip it around and ask how many desirable women are married to chubby guys, I would say a quarter.
The rest are with people who are roughy the same in terms of looks. Almost all are with partners that have comparable education (usually a graduate degrees, occasionally a BA/BS).
The last part is why that isn’t a representative sample.
The three times a year I got to the mall, I see what you’re saying, but it isn’t exactly commonplace.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:17 am to Keys Open Doors
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Keys Open Doors
All good stuff, but the point remains, the number of people alone isn't the problem. The problem is how our societies are organized/run from a consumption standpoint. It IS unsustainable.
What do you think the great reset is all about? They see it exactly as we do.
My issue with the great reset is the path they're taking to get there. You can see how people like John Kerry praised China's ability to move people about at will given its extensive government control...the elites admire that ability and likewise want that ability here...to move Americans to their will as they see fit in terms of political goals (doubt they'd characterize climate change policy as political).
I doubt they'd be successful at it and we'd lose a lot of freedoms in the process without achieving anything related to what they claim to want to achieve. Society will only re-organize itself if they think it'll improve their lives. Asking people to reduce their standard of living inorganically as dictated by government decrees will not go over well. Innovation will change our fortunes, not government hammers and dictates.
Anyways, that's my rant.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:18 am to tiggerthetooth
I have been thinking a lot about the primacy of Therapeutic Culture (pop psychology) in modern American dating . It has created a sub-species of completely self- absorbed women who don’t ever stop to consider how insufferable it is.
The average American woman on IG reads dozens of self- affirming messages a day. They learn the language of self- reverence. Men by contrast , get ignored. She learns she is “ perfect “ in her natural state, that her value is in just being. She sees nothing wrong with demanding a man stop what he is doing, set his own pursuits aside,climb into her brain with her, and attend to her real-time emotional needs, , as if it’s some kind of great reward for him to have the opportunity to delve into every emotion that crosses her mind. She thinks, let’s just sit on this couch and talk about my fears and insecurities and how you fail to adequately address them.
A man by contrast, living in a MUCH harsher reality, knows he has no time for such emotional self- indulgence because he will have almost no value unless he gets busy Doing . A man HAS to create value for others. He does this via action, not by obsessing about how he feels from moment to moment. Men don’t have that luxury and to him it feels precious and like First World White Lady Problems.
Which is why when men find a relatively chill woman who enjoys just being in the moment, they generally don’t let her go. The women with the highest emotional intelligence ( as opposed to the woman who knows all the psychological lingo) understands a man’s innate desire to stay grounded in the present and enjoy it for what it is. All the unraveling happens when women can’t escape their own neurotic need to overthink. American women have perfected this.
The average American woman on IG reads dozens of self- affirming messages a day. They learn the language of self- reverence. Men by contrast , get ignored. She learns she is “ perfect “ in her natural state, that her value is in just being. She sees nothing wrong with demanding a man stop what he is doing, set his own pursuits aside,climb into her brain with her, and attend to her real-time emotional needs, , as if it’s some kind of great reward for him to have the opportunity to delve into every emotion that crosses her mind. She thinks, let’s just sit on this couch and talk about my fears and insecurities and how you fail to adequately address them.
A man by contrast, living in a MUCH harsher reality, knows he has no time for such emotional self- indulgence because he will have almost no value unless he gets busy Doing . A man HAS to create value for others. He does this via action, not by obsessing about how he feels from moment to moment. Men don’t have that luxury and to him it feels precious and like First World White Lady Problems.
Which is why when men find a relatively chill woman who enjoys just being in the moment, they generally don’t let her go. The women with the highest emotional intelligence ( as opposed to the woman who knows all the psychological lingo) understands a man’s innate desire to stay grounded in the present and enjoy it for what it is. All the unraveling happens when women can’t escape their own neurotic need to overthink. American women have perfected this.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:19 am to BK Lounge
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I dont think youre wrong… BUT i think there is a happy medium to be had, and i dont think that fewer people overall is a bad thing…. Have you tried going to any beach on pretty much any weekend lately ? Have you tried driving on the interstate at pretty much any time of day ?? There are simply way, way too many people.. Now we can have conversations , and there have been many conversations on here about exactly WHERE these huge populations are living and WHO we want breeding, and who is entitled to survival, while the rest die off etc etc etc… but the bottom line is that the planet currently has 8 Billion people on it, and it’s unsustainable IMO .
What a load of authoritarian horseshite. Wah, I can't have the beach to myself. I can't switch lanes when I want. Wah. Probably a good thing that you're not in charge of who is "entitled" to keep breathing.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:21 am to SuperSaint
Ok internet troll let’s get specific.
Lamonica’s Transmission went out of business because the office girl was embezzling funds and cheating on her husband. So about ten highly skilled men lost a good job. The owner died from a stroke because he couldn’t believe that his niece would steal from him. If you lived in Hammond that reduced the number of transmission repair dhops from two to one. Everyone in Hammond paid more for transmission repair and service because ONE spoiled niece felt entitled to a man too handsome and a salary too high.
Anyway
Lamonica’s Transmission went out of business because the office girl was embezzling funds and cheating on her husband. So about ten highly skilled men lost a good job. The owner died from a stroke because he couldn’t believe that his niece would steal from him. If you lived in Hammond that reduced the number of transmission repair dhops from two to one. Everyone in Hammond paid more for transmission repair and service because ONE spoiled niece felt entitled to a man too handsome and a salary too high.
Anyway
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:25 am to Saint Alfonzo
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What a load of authoritarian horse shite. Wah, I can't have the beach to myself. I can't switch lanes when I want. Wah. Probably a good thing that you're not in charge of who is "entitled" to keep breathing.
If that’s what you got from my post, then i can see why you might have problems in the dating world, or feel trapped in a shitty marriage- what with your low IQ and basic inability to understand concepts .
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:26 am to tiggerthetooth
I agree with your point about how society hasn’t changed much in terms of how it’s being designed around ports and waterways in general. And this isn’t something we need in the 21st century in much of the developed world.
It’s how we have overpopulation in certain areas while plenty of livable space around. Even in the US, that is very clear to see. I’m not sure I would say overpopulation, but definitely lots of solid areas that should be larger than they are.
I think Canada and Australia have caught onto this in the past 15 years or so.
And the places with demographic disasters are the places that are the most hesitant to immigration, even if high-skilled.
Spain and Italy are the two exceptions to the this, and I’m not sure what the hell is going on there.
And I think the free market will likely lead to a population reset in the US. It’s already starting to happen IMO where people see the salaries of second tier US cities are 15-20 percent lower than the biggest, while the cost of living is much lower and they move.
The amenities and social capital of those cities has also gone up considerably since I was a kid.
It’s how we have overpopulation in certain areas while plenty of livable space around. Even in the US, that is very clear to see. I’m not sure I would say overpopulation, but definitely lots of solid areas that should be larger than they are.
I think Canada and Australia have caught onto this in the past 15 years or so.
And the places with demographic disasters are the places that are the most hesitant to immigration, even if high-skilled.
Spain and Italy are the two exceptions to the this, and I’m not sure what the hell is going on there.
And I think the free market will likely lead to a population reset in the US. It’s already starting to happen IMO where people see the salaries of second tier US cities are 15-20 percent lower than the biggest, while the cost of living is much lower and they move.
The amenities and social capital of those cities has also gone up considerably since I was a kid.
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:28 am to prplhze2000
The modern man/woman is delusional imo
Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:34 am to BK Lounge
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If that’s what you got from my post, then i can see why you might have problems in the dating world, or feel trapped in a shitty marriage- what with your low IQ and basic inability to understand concepts .
I'm sorry, I could have sworn you were crying about being inconvenienced by other people existing in "your" space and then reflected on conversations where people were discussing who should live or die because the human population is, IYO, unsustainable. What deep concept did you espouse that I missed?
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