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re: WPTV: Solar plants draw concerns from Louisiana farmers, officials
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:43 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:43 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:those solar farms will just look terrible in those fields that you’d confuse for a landfill if you didn’t know better. Completely ruin the look of the trailer parks a mile down the road
Solar panels belong in the desert. Or on rooftops.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 2:44 pm
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:44 pm to goofball
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Solar isn't a unicorn solution here that it's cracked up to be. It makes much more sense on a smaller scale - on top of businesses as supplemental energy.
I agree that local small scale energy production is where we should focus. I just find the current anti-solar movement in LA to be incredibly hypocritical given this state's reputation on pandering to dirty industries
Landowners should have the right to lease their land as they see fit as long as it meets current EPA standards
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:47 pm to SuperSaint
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those solar farms will just look terrible in those fields that you’d confuse for a landfill if you didn’t know better. Completely ruin the look of the trailer parks a mile down the road
I don't want that damned solar farm blocking my view of the exxon plant on the MS River!!!
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:47 pm to ragincajun03
As long as it doesn't wreck the groundwater and is not visible from roadway or from adjacent properties....I don't really care.
I do think it's weird that they are gravitating towards south Louisiana with these as opposed to north Louisiana. South Louisiana doesn't have a lot of available land near the cities that isn't in a flood zone. IMO a better use for that land would be industrial, agricultural, or residential.
I do think it's weird that they are gravitating towards south Louisiana with these as opposed to north Louisiana. South Louisiana doesn't have a lot of available land near the cities that isn't in a flood zone. IMO a better use for that land would be industrial, agricultural, or residential.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:47 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Where does the power go if we don’t capture it with solar panels?
Are you talking about what happens if the farm creates more power than it can send to the grid?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:49 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Landowners should have the right to use their land as they see fit. We have one of the highest rates of cancer in the country yet we are worried about solar power pollution? C'Mon man
It’s like you didn’t even read my post cause I said the very same thing regarding landowners and land use.
I’m not discussing the potential health risks. I’m talking about who will actually go in and remove acres of solar panels when/if the solar farmer goes belly up. It’s
Not like we haven’t had businesses fail or close and leave their mess behind. Can you guarantee me the taxpayer won’t get stuck with the bill for the blighted property or the potentially hazardous waste clean up?
This is a piss poor investment for the state in my opinion if the state has to give credits to get the farms. There’s not enough return on the investment from what I’ve seen. They produce very few permanent jobs and the construction is being done by out of state firms. Where is the benefit for the taxpayers and citizens who live with these farms?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:50 pm to ragincajun03
Utility scale solar is one of the worst environmental power sources we have ever conceived.
It is crazy that CO2 (plant food) is considered harmful despite he mountain of evidence proving all the doom & gloom models wrong. Now, not only are we trying to stress our plant life and crops, we are destroying the land with solar panels.
It is crazy that CO2 (plant food) is considered harmful despite he mountain of evidence proving all the doom & gloom models wrong. Now, not only are we trying to stress our plant life and crops, we are destroying the land with solar panels.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:53 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I’m not discussing the potential health risks. I’m talking about who will actually go in and remove acres of solar panels when/if the solar farmer goes belly up. It’s
Not like we haven’t had businesses fail or close and leave their mess behind. Can you guarantee me the taxpayer won’t get stuck with the bill for the blighted property or the potentially hazardous waste clean up?
Shell Norco nearly closed without a buyer. You think they were going to dismantle that plant if it went unsold?
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Where is the benefit for the taxpayers and citizens who live with these farms?
Income tax from the landowner helps the local economy. A diversified power grid is less prone to spikes in prices of oil/gas.
Sales tax on maintenance of the property
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:54 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Landowners should have the right to lease their land as they see fit as long as it meets current EPA standards
It's not a free for all when it comes to land use. There are local and planning commissions to go through if a landowner wants to use the land for something outside of it's zoning guardrails. And anything that's 1,000+ acres is definitely going to draw attention from nearby homeowners.
If they want to build them, I don't see a problem with making sure they maintain a buffer area along the perimeter and keeping up with the lawn/grounds maintenance to make sure not unsightly. Pointe Coupee seems to be trying to do that given how furious a lot of folks were in West Baton Rouge when those farms came up on Rosedale Road.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:56 pm to dewster
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If they want to build them, I don't see a problem with making sure they maintain a buffer area along the perimeter and keeping up with the lawn/grounds maintenance to make sure not unsightly. Pointe Coupee seems to be trying to do that given how furious a lot of folks were in West Baton Rouge when those farms came up on Rosedale Road.
I don't see any problem with setting up standards. I just think outright banning them or placing them on permanent moratorium is a kneejerk reaction
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:56 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Sales tax on maintenance of the property
The largest maintenance cost involved with a solar farm is grass cutting. Run me the numbers in the sales taxes generated after you purchase the 2 mowers you’re gonna need to mow the place. I’ll wait.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:58 pm to tigerinthebueche
quote:how is this any different than any other development. There’s thousands of orphaned wells in Louisiana
but also because we have no assurances of who will clean up the solar farms when the solar company that operates them goes tits up.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:58 pm to tigerinthebueche
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The largest maintenance cost involved with a solar farm is grass cutting. Run me the numbers in the sales taxes generated after you purchase the 2 mowers you’re gonna need to mow the place. I’ll wait.
landscaping, cleaning the cells, periodic cell replacement, controller maintenance, security, perimeter maintenance
Not a BASF/Dow/Motiva sized benefit but it can certainly benefit small businesses
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:59 pm to SuperSaint
This is just big oil politics.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:00 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I’m not discussing the potential health risks. I’m talking about who will actually go in and remove acres of solar panels when/if the solar farmer goes belly up.
That's a huge concern that's never really addressed. A lot of wealthy people are heavily invested in solar energy, and there's a tremendous effort to roll this out as fast as they can. You'll have to forgive my skepticism of anything the media fawns over this much....especially given how wrong they've been over the past couple of years on everything from social unrest to the pandemic.
Given that these solar farms have a relatively short life (25 years), it's not unreasonable to expect a real plan on the decommission process. The problem is that the environmentalist groups are are more anti-oil/gas than they are pro-environment right now. So they are fully on board with solar and aren't rushing to address these concerns.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:00 pm to Tigeralum2008
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don't see any problem with setting up standards. I just think outright banning them or placing them on permanent moratorium is a kneejerk reaction
Agreed. I’m not opposed to them completely. I just want to make sure it’s not another cluster frick, soaking for the tax payers.
But this is Louisiana and that would never happen
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:00 pm to Bestbank Tiger
It's all about money...landowners are interested in ways to make money off of the land.
I can tellyou this solar panels make more money for the landowners than beans, rice, crawfish, etc....maybe sugar cane is a more lucrative crop but everything else gets beat easily by the payments that solar companies are making.
I can tellyou this solar panels make more money for the landowners than beans, rice, crawfish, etc....maybe sugar cane is a more lucrative crop but everything else gets beat easily by the payments that solar companies are making.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:01 pm to ragincajun03
This is a serious concern that will only get worse as time progresses. I manage farm and ranches across the country and have had solar developers offer upwards of $1000/acre/yr to lease land for their projects. Our tenant farmers can’t come anywhere close to competing with groups at those rates.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:03 pm to SouthernStyled
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The goal is not to do it right. The goal is takeover of land using tax dollars.
Corporate “farms” have been gobbling up family farmland for years, and using tax subsidies to help finance their growth.
The fight over solar farms is going to come down to who has the better lobbyists and PR firms. Corporate farms or the solar industry?
The free market will not win. They both need the government to intervene.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:03 pm to Tigeralum2008
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I don't see any problem with setting up standards. I just think outright banning them or placing them on permanent moratorium is a kneejerk reaction
WBR put a temporary moratorium on them until they can draft restrictions.
They did that after the local residents got angry with the ugly, dingy solar farms they built on Rosedale Road. It's not something they just pulled out of their arse just to slow down your unicorn train.
Land use planning in Louisiana is so bad that they likely never had any real set of standards to address this until they actually had angry constituents calling them. I'm not kidding when I say that language around "greenbelts" and "tree buffers" probably didn't exist yet in WBR's zoning or planning documents for any purpose, much less for giant solar farms.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 3:06 pm
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