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Posted on 5/10/23 at 10:51 am to AwgustaDawg
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I have it it off an on for a couple of years but going to a dealership has cured me of it for now and the foreseeable future. I ain't happy with paying $1000 less than sticker...I am almost violently angry at the idea of tacking on another $10K or so just for shits and giggles...
Totally understand what you mean. Last couple of times the fever hit all I had to do was visit a couple of dealer websites and it was gone.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 10:55 am to waiting4saturday
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They sure are putting a lot of effort into the mid-size trucks. I guess they realize baws wont be forking over $85-100K for a truck in the near future.
A new base package Ranger is something around $40K
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:06 am to FLTech
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Hard pass because Toyota is far superior over Ford
In what way?
Payload? No, Toyota is bottom of class
Ride quality? Once again, Toyota is bottom of class
Handling? Nope
Towing? Nope
Comfort? Not even close
Power? Once again, not close
Tech? Nope
Reliabilty? Debatable. I know many say 300000 miles from a Tacoma. Mine did not even last 42000 before it chewed through a cam and made it a paperweight and truckless for almost a year. Besides, most only keep vehicles for 100000 and the Ford can do that trouble free as can any of the others.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:25 am to goofball
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Raptor.
Seems unwise to invest in what is likely a $60,000 mid sized truck right now especially when Ford already has a "decent", albeit not great model that was selling reasonably well.
I've never seen so much doom and gloom at work before, and my client span multiple industries. The old timers are comparing this to 2007/2008. A lot of people are going to be laid off unfortunately. Meaning a lot of potential buyers of those Ford Raptors will elect to just keep their old vehicle longer.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:31 am to UtahCajun
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In what way?
Toyota has clobbered Ford in mid sized pickup truck sales. I agree that the current gen Tacoma has some major flaws and probably shouldn't be as popular as it actually is....but it's known for being reliable and offering promising resale value.
Although right now they all have excellent resale value so I guess Toyota's primary appeal is the decreased likelihood of you getting a lemon with them.
Interesting to note - the Ford Ranger and Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon are share production lines are shared with other popular vehicles made by those manufacturers. The Ford Bronco and the GM full sized vans are both in high demand right now, so those companies are having to curtail production of midsized trucks to build more of the alternative vehicles that share those lines.
GM got around some of this lately by outsourcing their full sized van production to Navistar/International. But they are still selling every single Colorado and Canyon they can build. For some reason those ancient full sized vans they build for FedEx and plumbers are still very popular. Ford is severely limited with Ranger production because they had to catch up to Bronco orders after having major setbacks with chip/microprocessor shortages. Had GM and Ford been more committed to these mid sized trucks, they might have their own production lines and/or assembly plants but they don't.
So if production capacity was sorted, GM And Ford might be a lot closer to Toyota's sales numbers. Maybe GM should reopen the Shreveport factory.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:43 am to goofball
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Honestly….kind of underwhelmed except for the Raptor. The GMC Canyon and new Tacoma both look better to me.
What are you? a 15-year-old girl?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:46 am to goofball
There's one in there that's slightly out of place..
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:54 am to goofball
Can't wait for Ford to move past this goofy looking parentheses shaped headlights.
It was awkward 5 years ago and it isn't getting any better. The best iteration is the Ford F-150 Tremor, and the front end of that is still kind of weird to me.
It was awkward 5 years ago and it isn't getting any better. The best iteration is the Ford F-150 Tremor, and the front end of that is still kind of weird to me.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:02 pm to Loup
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The newer (21 and up) rangers are getting similar reliability ratings to the same year tacos plus they are a higher % made in america IRRC. I may be thinking of older models. LINK
Are you talking about 1st year reliability or more long term?
If you’re going to chat up reliability and add a link, why use a link to an article that doesn’t even discuss reliability?
Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:11 pm to UtahCajun
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Payload? No, Toyota is bottom of class
Ranger is best in class followed by the Canyon. The Tacoma is 3rd in class in payload with the Gladiator having the lowest.
quote:This depends on the driver. If you want a truck, then it rides like a truck. If you want it to ride like a minivan, then yeah go with a Santa Cruz or Ridgeline. The Gladiator has the worst on road feel, though I will give Jeep and Toyota credit on the TRD and Mojave and up models with the Bilstein and Fox setups providing a great highway and trail ride.
Ride quality? Once again, Toyota is bottom of class
quote:A bit subjective. If you allow the Santa Cruz and Ridgeline to set the bar, then yeah the rest of the class has poor handling on road.
Handling? Nope
quote:The Tacoma is behind the GM twins and the Ranger, but ahead of the others.
Towing? Nope
quote:Outside of the diesel and turbo applications which are recent additions by the other mid size trucks, the NA offerings are well inline power wise with the competition.
Power? Once again, not close
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Comfort? Not even close
Subjective here, but everyone's comfort and size is different.
quote:Wondering what tech you would need in a truck that Toyota doesn't offer. Actual question. I know wireless charging, wireless Carplay/Android Auto, SXM, built in dash navigation, and a myriad of other offerings are pretty much standard for all the midsize offerings.
Tech? Nope
I think given either new competitors or recent refreshes from all the competitors the Tacoma does feel dated, but if the power, tech, and ride quality are on par with the Tundra refresh, then it will remain the proverbial cream of the crop.
quote:That sucks, and I can see why that would or could turn you into a hate on Tacoma guy, but hopefully you realize you just got the absolute shite end of the stick there. Engine failure for all the mid size, outside of the Hyundai under 100k is hyper rare.
Mine did not even last 42000 before it chewed through a cam and made it a paperweight and truckless for almost a year.
Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:34 pm to BK Lounge
Like the new jimny isnt available here. Would be an awesome toy
Posted on 5/10/23 at 12:41 pm to Willie Stroker
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If you’re going to chat up reliability and add a link, why use a link to an article that doesn’t even discuss reliability?
LINK
LINK
because google results are all over the place for them. i also discussed the ranger being made in america, that was what the link was for.
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:06 pm to AwesomeSauce
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That sucks, and I can see why that would or could turn you into a hate on Tacoma guy, but hopefully you realize you just got the absolute shite end of the stick there. Engine failure for all the mid size, outside of the Hyundai under 100k is hyper rare
That is not what soured me. Being a mid-50's, 6'2" and between 225lb & 230lb dude, I was already tired of the Tacoma by the time it failed. Lower back after an hour hurt. Felt cramped and the ride was straight outta 1993. Trucks riding like trucks is a thing of the past. 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks are world's better than they were. 2023 F250's are way better than my old 2008 F250. Hell, the Tundra of today rides and handles better than it did 10-15 years ago. Why would we just accept the Tacoma being left in the 1990's mindset of "trucks ride like trucks"?
As far as what tech do I want? Once again, it is 2023. Trucks should have all the tech other vehicles have. I mean the price is increasing, but we are ok with Tacoma's lagging behind?
For power, Ford, GM and even Nissan are much more powerful. All have over 300hp. Nissan has comparible tourque, but with 430 ft/lbs on tap for my truck, the Tacoma is sorely lacking.
All-in-all, everything I posted is true in answer to the guy I was answering. He claimed Tacoma was better im every way. Clearly, it is not. In fact, outside of resale and the ability to go 300000+ miles (which is useless to most drivers), it is way behind Ford, GM and Nissan these days.
The new Tacoma comes out next year. Let's see if Toyota improves what needs to be improved. If it doesn't, the Tacoma may just (big may here) become the Harley of the truck world. They will keep a very loyal fan base, but will ultimately lose out due to trying to "stay true" to the loyalists.
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