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re: Would our founding fathers be proud of America as it is today?
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:20 pm to SuperSaint
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:20 pm to SuperSaint
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they never in their wildest most outlandish dreams ever envisioned our country being as prosperous as it is.
A people who are willing to sacrifice life and fortune for freedom and liberty are motivated by more than just being prosperous.
That’s what makes our founding fathers so unique, and our country so as well.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:25 pm to Mike da Tigah
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A people who are willing to sacrifice life and fortune for freedom and liberty are motivated by more than just being prosperous.
That’s what makes our founding fathers so unique, and our country so as well.
We were the first country in history created solely around the rights of the individual. We've just allowed a leviathan federal government to grow and chip away at them for hundreds of years.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:27 pm to fallguy_1978
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We were the first country in history created solely around the rights of the individual. We've just allowed a leviathan federal government to grow and chip away at them for hundreds of years.
On Point as is tradition.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:28 pm to DustyDinkleman
They would shoot us all for allowing our kids to watch and listen to the trash put out by the entertainment industries..
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:33 pm to DustyDinkleman
Our Founding Fathers wouldn't recognize the country we've lived in for the past 100+ years.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:36 pm to DustyDinkleman
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:44 pm to SCLibertarian
Could you imagine Thomas Jefferson speaking with Lincoln, FDR, and LBJ. He would have lost his mind.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:45 pm to lionward2014
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Could you imagine Thomas Jefferson speaking with Lincoln, FDR, and LBJ. He would have lost his mind
With Lincoln especially.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:49 pm to Mike da Tigah
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With Lincoln especially.
I almost didn’t say Lincoln because I didn’t want the whole slave thing to come up, but Lincoln was one of, if not the, closest presidents we’ve had to a dictatorship. He suspended habeas corpus and hung journalist who spoke against him. If that isn’t against everything in the Bill of Rights, nothing is.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:51 pm to DustyDinkleman
They would be disgusted that blacks and women were made citizens and given the right to vote.
What they did was great for the American story but let’s not pretend that it for any other reason then their own self interest at the time
What they did was great for the American story but let’s not pretend that it for any other reason then their own self interest at the time
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:51 pm to DustyDinkleman
The Federalization (thanks Lincoln) would bother them more than no slavery. They were the first to begin considering abolitionism. The Crown sure the hell wasn't.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:52 pm to DustyDinkleman
Hell no.
They would slap some bitches around for acting the way some people do
They would slap some bitches around for acting the way some people do
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:53 pm to lionward2014
Overall IMO this country has developed better than any country on this planet..... Do we have some MAJOR problems going on right now???? YES...……… But there are countries that already have it worse than we do at this very moment...……………. We WILL overcome ……… As far as our founding fathers?????? For reasons I stated above, they were some smart people….
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:54 pm to BatonrougeCajun
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but let’s not pretend that it for any other reason then their own self interest at the time
^^^^^^Look... A commie
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:55 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:There's actually been an enormous expansion of rights over the centuries, what with the whole expansion of voting rights to women, ending of slavery, and decriminalization of LGBT sexual activity.
We were the first country in history created solely around the rights of the individual. We've just allowed a leviathan federal government to grow and chip away at them for hundreds of years.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:57 pm to BatonrougeCajun
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They would be disgusted that blacks and women were made citizens and given the right to vote.
What they did was great for the American story but let’s not pretend that it for any other reason then their own self interest at the time
It's hard to compare the 1700s with modern times. While it is accurate that some people were second class citizens, that was more a symptom of the time rather than the personal beliefs of the individuals who founded this country.
We also burned people at the stake because we thought they might be witches hundreds of years ago.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:57 pm to Chuck Barris
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There's actually been an enormous expansion of rights over the centuries, what with the whole expansion of voting rights to women, ending of slavery,
This I agree with...….
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and decriminalization of LGBT sexual activity.
This I do not...……….
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:58 pm to rooster108bm
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^^^^^^Look... A commie
Ha not even close. I was just making a point. They weren’t building a government to be a beacon of light for 250 years, they just didn’t want to be told what to do by the British anymore
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:58 pm to DustyDinkleman
I don't believe they envisioned a federal income tax, which has placed way too much power in Washington, created career politicians when politics was never supposed to be a career, and made the opinions of people like Nancy Pelosi way too relevant.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:59 pm to BatonrougeCajun
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What they did was great for the American story but let’s not pretend that it for any other reason then their own self interest at the time
Any politician or policy maker, ever.
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