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re: Would our founding fathers be proud of America as it is today?

Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:20 pm to
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they never in their wildest most outlandish dreams ever envisioned our country being as prosperous as it is.


A people who are willing to sacrifice life and fortune for freedom and liberty are motivated by more than just being prosperous.

That’s what makes our founding fathers so unique, and our country so as well.



Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:25 pm to
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A people who are willing to sacrifice life and fortune for freedom and liberty are motivated by more than just being prosperous.

That’s what makes our founding fathers so unique, and our country so as well.

We were the first country in history created solely around the rights of the individual. We've just allowed a leviathan federal government to grow and chip away at them for hundreds of years.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:27 pm to
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We were the first country in history created solely around the rights of the individual. We've just allowed a leviathan federal government to grow and chip away at them for hundreds of years.


On Point as is tradition.


Posted by mauser
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:28 pm to
They would shoot us all for allowing our kids to watch and listen to the trash put out by the entertainment industries..
Posted by SCLibertarian
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:33 pm to
Our Founding Fathers wouldn't recognize the country we've lived in for the past 100+ years.
Posted by rooster108bm
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:36 pm to
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Posted by lionward2014
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:44 pm to
Could you imagine Thomas Jefferson speaking with Lincoln, FDR, and LBJ. He would have lost his mind.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:45 pm to
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Could you imagine Thomas Jefferson speaking with Lincoln, FDR, and LBJ. He would have lost his mind


With Lincoln especially.
Posted by lionward2014
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:49 pm to
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With Lincoln especially.


I almost didn’t say Lincoln because I didn’t want the whole slave thing to come up, but Lincoln was one of, if not the, closest presidents we’ve had to a dictatorship. He suspended habeas corpus and hung journalist who spoke against him. If that isn’t against everything in the Bill of Rights, nothing is.
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:51 pm to
They would be disgusted that blacks and women were made citizens and given the right to vote.

What they did was great for the American story but let’s not pretend that it for any other reason then their own self interest at the time
Posted by RougeDawg
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:51 pm to
The Federalization (thanks Lincoln) would bother them more than no slavery. They were the first to begin considering abolitionism. The Crown sure the hell wasn't.
Posted by Fat and Happy
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:52 pm to
Hell no.

They would slap some bitches around for acting the way some people do
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:53 pm to
Overall IMO this country has developed better than any country on this planet..... Do we have some MAJOR problems going on right now???? YES...……… But there are countries that already have it worse than we do at this very moment...……………. We WILL overcome ……… As far as our founding fathers?????? For reasons I stated above, they were some smart people….
Posted by rooster108bm
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:54 pm to
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but let’s not pretend that it for any other reason then their own self interest at the time


^^^^^^Look... A commie
Posted by Chuck Barris
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:55 pm to
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We were the first country in history created solely around the rights of the individual. We've just allowed a leviathan federal government to grow and chip away at them for hundreds of years.
There's actually been an enormous expansion of rights over the centuries, what with the whole expansion of voting rights to women, ending of slavery, and decriminalization of LGBT sexual activity.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:57 pm to
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They would be disgusted that blacks and women were made citizens and given the right to vote.

What they did was great for the American story but let’s not pretend that it for any other reason then their own self interest at the time

It's hard to compare the 1700s with modern times. While it is accurate that some people were second class citizens, that was more a symptom of the time rather than the personal beliefs of the individuals who founded this country.

We also burned people at the stake because we thought they might be witches hundreds of years ago.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:57 pm to
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There's actually been an enormous expansion of rights over the centuries, what with the whole expansion of voting rights to women, ending of slavery,



This I agree with...….



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and decriminalization of LGBT sexual activity.



This I do not...……….
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:58 pm to
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^^^^^^Look... A commie



Ha not even close. I was just making a point. They weren’t building a government to be a beacon of light for 250 years, they just didn’t want to be told what to do by the British anymore
Posted by Zachary
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:58 pm to
I don't believe they envisioned a federal income tax, which has placed way too much power in Washington, created career politicians when politics was never supposed to be a career, and made the opinions of people like Nancy Pelosi way too relevant.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 2:59 pm to
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What they did was great for the American story but let’s not pretend that it for any other reason then their own self interest at the time


Any politician or policy maker, ever.
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