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re: Workplace Drug Testing - Has Your Work Stopped?
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:12 am to SaintEB
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:12 am to SaintEB
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No. Still doing it. I got pulled a couple of months ago.
But I do have a question.
Is anyone changing testing policy with the increase in CBD availability and the fact that it stays in your system so long? THC levels could be increase for weeks after. We lost at least two candidates for employment due to failed testing but things are changing. How is this stuff effecting policy?
ETA: You get high on a Friday night, you are fine Saturday, get pulled on Wednesday and fail. If you had gotten drunk, your job wouldn't be in question. But this causes your termination.
Same here. I was wondering if anyone's companies were either eliminating thc from the panels or using a test that has higher minimum levels of thc.
THC derived from CBD is now legal in Louisiana now up to 8mg per serving. You can walk into any smoke shop/gas station and buy this now in gummies/tinctures/etc
It can make you feel a buzz, help you sleep etc.
The benefits are obvious over things like alcohol(the lobby is huge opponent of this new law).
But you'll fail a drug screen for THC.
I'm no stoner and I'm clean but would like to know I could enjoy those yummy treats if my company didn't test for low levels of thc.
For those not sure what I'm talking about regarding the new/upheld "THC from CBD" law in Louisiana.
WAFB Debate over CBD Laws
Opponents like the booze industry and medical marijuana farm owners have been trying to get it lowered to 2mg max. They don't like competition.
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BATON ROUGE, La. (WAFB) - Lawmakers in Louisiana voted on Thursday, April 20, to advance a bill that would make changes to the state’s current law on CBD products.
HB 605 by House Speaker Clay Schexnayder, R-Gonzales, would add restrictions to both serving and packaging sizes while also giving regulators what they need to keep tabs on products and their retailers. What it does not do is change the current THC limit of 8mg per dose.
“The big thing is making sure that if LDH follows the intent of the law, then you’re gonna have a safe product out there,” said Rep. Schexnayder.
But that is different from SB 219 by Sen. Stewart Cathey Jr., R-Monroe, which looks to roll the industry back by lowering the THC limit to 2mg per dose or less. It is something those in the business say would have severe consequences for them.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 10:15 am
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:14 am to lepdagod
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Just found out a couple months ago this is false… failed drug test doesn’t matter… I know it sounds crazy because what most of us have been told and taught…
where I work they say refusing or not showing up to the testing facility constitutes a positive, not sure if that's a bluff but I wouldn't press to test
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:14 am to mikelbr
Just because the law says crime is ok now doesn’t mean I want to work with a bunch of drug addicts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:15 am to el Gaucho
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Just because the law says crime is ok now doesn’t mean I want to work with a bunch of drug addicts
I love you.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:17 am to BottomlandBrew
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I also have to have a clean sample for accidents. That again is non-negotiable from my insurance as well as the TN Drug Free program. I've explained to my guys that's how it goes and there isn't much I can do about it. Kind if sucks that if you smoke a joint on Friday night but get in an accident next week that workers comp can refuse you, but it is what it is.
We still have quarterly random tests, but marijuana is no longer an immediate termination. Every other drug is an immediate termination. Insurance requires me to have some sort of punishment for marijuana, so I dock a day of vacation and require a retest in 30 days at the employee's expense. If you fail that one, then you get another day docked and a retest again in 30 days. This repeats until 90 days, at which point you may face punishment "up to termination." I basically left it open ended.
Thank you for this. That's fair. I would like to see something like this become more common. Slap on the wrist for first time thc violation.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:19 am to ell_13
Subjected to random hair, piss, blood, breath testing. They are friggin the worst and hate people having fun
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:21 am to mikelbr
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Same here. I was wondering if anyone's companies were either eliminating thc from the panels or using a test that has higher minimum levels of thc.
IP paper mill in Bogalusa quit testing for THC on randoms and went to swabs if there’s an accident. I’m ready for all these companies to go to the swab method. No reason why I can’t smoke on my days off.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:21 am to 777Tiger
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where I work they say refusing or not showing up to the testing facility constitutes a positive,
Well yeah… I was referring to failing a drug test after a accident while at work… doesn’t matter how people think it does…
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:27 am to OU Guy
At all the O&G companies I worked for it’s still quarterly randoms and term for any kind of fail. Unless you’re related to the right people then you get some paid time off and get to come back with a raise and promotion after you can piss clean again.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:32 am to Gee Grenouille
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IP paper mill in Bogalusa quit testing for THC on randoms and went to swabs if there’s an accident. I’m ready for all these companies to go to the swab method. No reason why I can’t smoke on my days off.
Exactly. They need some sort of test for THC that's like Alcohol tests. Or if they can't determine intoxication from THC, I wouldn't care if it was just a test for use in the past 24 hours.
I would like to know when I visit my friend in Colorado for a week I could enjoy the 'altitude' for a few days and then cut it out 2 days before coming back to work.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:35 am to lepdagod
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Just found out a couple months ago this is false… failed drug test doesn’t matter… I know it sounds crazy because what most of us have been told and taught…
It can be false. It can also be true. What happens is the burden of proof is shifted from the employer to the employee. A hot drug sample "presumes that the drugs or alcohol were the proximate cause of injury. Workers’ compensation benefits can be denied until the injured employee overcomes the presumption, which requires clear and convincing evidence."
"Can" is the operative word.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:44 am to OU Guy
I work in accounting and finance, not sure they could even test for it.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:50 am to OU Guy
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I do wonder, if quite a few companies stopped or reduced testing there is likely more folks doing drugs than pre Covid because the fear of randos slowed them down. Its still not easy to get new quality employees either.
I think it's as simple as 23 states (plus DC) have legalized marijuana on a state level. If you're a corporation that isn't just local, you likely have employees in states where its legalized.
Humana doesn't test for its employees anymore upon initial employment unless it's a work incident situation and workman's comp is involved (as others have explained). They don't do random testing anymore either. Just has in the contract that you shouldn't be impaired on the job.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:52 am to OU Guy
Not only did we not stop, we got stricter. The limits are now lower and now instead of getting 24 hours to go to a testing facility, you get called upstairs where there is someone there to immediately administer the test. 
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:54 am to OU Guy
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Prior to Covid we tested randomly every 3 months. Since 2020 we’ve done 0 random drug testing. We do new employees and any incidents/accidents but no randoms. Its mainly due to finding new (good) employees, hard to find so we don’t want to cause staff shortages via testing.
Curious what other companies are doing.
Transportation and operations folks are always in the crosshairs for testing.
That being said we have adopted a second chance policy. The shortage of motivated workers has caused some changes for sure.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:55 am to etm512
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Not only did we not stop, we got stricter. The limits are now lower and now instead of getting 24 hours to go to a testing facility, you get called upstairs where there is someone there to immediately administer the test.
Kentucky's LPC (Licensed Professional Counselors) board had a guy on it last year that wanted to implement random drug testing for any associate or fully-licensed therapist. Also wanted it to come out of the therapist's pocket as well. If testing positive, he wanted licensure permanently terminated on the spot.
He was the only person that voted yes on the whole board and he was promptly voted out of his board seat in the next election.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:56 am to idlewatcher
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Alcohol probably isn't against your company policy. Weed certainly is.
Ive seen an aviation company drug test and alcohol test 900 employees in one day.
3 people in Calcasieu parish were let go for registering on the breathalyzer. One lady, a secretary, blew a .01 and was fired. Talk about bs. She was 100 LBS and probably had a couple of drinks the night before. I thought that was harsh.
The two other fellas, lets just say they started early.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 10:57 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:23 am to OU Guy
Our HSA/FSA covers my pickup at the local dispo..
We've come a long way
We've come a long way
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:42 am to VADawg
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In 2021, when I was hired by my current employer, I didn't even have to take a piss test as part of the background check.
Same. In 2022 went to new employer, no drug test. I had taken a drug test with every previous employer on new hires. But not in 2022 for whatever reason.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:47 am to BottomlandBrew
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Workers’ compensation benefits can be denied until the injured employee overcomes the presumption, which requires clear and convincing evidence."
“Clear and convincing evidence” translates to was the injury sustained why in the process of your regular work routine… if yes… drug test doesn’t matter
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