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"Working Class" voters desire the "older, more generous" safety net: Forbes article

Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:43 am
Posted by StrongSafety
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:43 am
Great article I just stumbled upon, gives some #maga insight. The socialism we prefer

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Why are economically struggling blue collar voters rejecting a party that offers to expand public safety net programs? The reality is that the bulk of needy white voters are not interested in the public safety net. They want to restore their access to an older safety net, one much more generous, dignified, and stable than the public system – the one most well-employed voters still enjoy.


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Americans with good jobs live in a socialist welfare state more generous, cushioned and expensive to the public than any in Europe. Like a European system, we pool our resources to share the burden of catastrophic expenses, but unlike European models, our approach doesn’t cover everyone. Like most of my neighbors I have a good job in the private sector. Ask my neighbors about the cost of the welfare programs they enjoy and you will be greeted by baffled stares. All that we have is “earned” and we perceive no need for government support. Nevertheless, taxpayers fund our retirement saving, health insurance, primary, secondary, and advanced education, daycare, commuter costs, and even our mortgages at a staggering public cost. Socialism for white people is all-enveloping, benevolent, invisible, and insulated by the nasty, deceptive notion that we have earned our benefits by our own hand.


I relate to that.

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Companies can deduct the cost of their employees’ health insurance while employees are not required to report that benefit as income. That results in roughly a $400 billion annual transfer of funds from state and federal treasuries to insurers to provide coverage for the Americans least in need of assistance. This is one of the defining features of white socialism, the most generous benefits go to those who are best suited to provide for themselves. Those benefits are not limited to health care.

When I buy a house for my family, or a vacation home, the interest I pay on the mortgage is deductible up to a million dollars of debt. That costs the treasury $70 billion a year, about what we spend to fund the food stamp program. My private retirement savings are also tax deductible, diverting another $75 billion from government revenues. Other tax preferences carve out special treatment for child care expenses, college savings, commuter costs (your suburban tax credit), local taxes, and other exemptions.


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That fact helps explain how this welfare system took shape sixty years ago, why it was originally (and still overwhelmingly) white, and why white Rust Belt voters showed far more enthusiasm for Donald Trump than for Bernie Sanders. White voters are not interested in democratic socialism. They want to restore their access to a more generous and dignified program of white socialism.


Remember, everyone else was excluded from these jobs years ago. Hence why I say #makeaveragenessgreatagain. Just needed to be lucky to a particular hue, and BAM!, good paying job and generous handouts.

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No one stated their intention to create a social welfare program for white people, specifically white men, but they didn’t need to. By handing control to employers at a time when virtually every good paying job was reserved for white men the program silently accomplished that goal.


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White socialism played a vital political role, as blue collar factory workers and executives all pooled their resources for mutual support and protection, binding them together culturally and politically. Higher income workers certainly benefited more, but almost all the benefits of this system from health care to pensions originally accrued to white families through their male breadwinners. Blue collar or white collar, their fates were largely united by their racial identity and employment status.



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White socialism has had a stark impact on the rest of the social safety net, creating a two-tiered system. Visit a county hospital to witness an example. American socialism for “everyone else” is marked by crowded conditions, neglected facilities, professionalism compromised by political patronage, and long waits for care. Fall outside the comfortable bubble of white socialism, and one faces a world of frightening indifference.

When Democrats respond to job losses with an offer to expand the public safety net, blue collar voters cringe and rebel. They are not remotely interested in sharing the public social safety net experienced by minority groups and the poorest white families. Meanwhile well-employed and affluent voters, ensconced in their system of white socialism, leverage all the power at their disposal to block any dilution of their expensive public welfare benefits. Something has to break.



This was written by a GOPer, not a SJW or prog, or dem.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 8:44 am
Posted by Paul Allen
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:46 am to
tl;dr
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:49 am to
Let the April Fools begin.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:52 am to
I stopped reading when the writer showed his ignorance and started with the "white this..." and "white that..."
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:52 am to
First thing that kept hitting me upside the head is the notion that not taxing something is a governmental cost. How nice of the government letting us keep more of their money.

He seriously equates literally getting a check in the mail with not having to pay taxes on segments of earned income. And even gives it a name: white socialism. So on top of everything else, you are bringing up identity politics with a taste of racism.

frick

That

shite.
This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 8:54 am
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:54 am to
It's Saturday, man
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22046 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:54 am to
To the author, not further taxing someone for mortgage interest and insurance benefits, after you've already taxed their base income at 25% or more, is welfare.

Meaning, I without question hand over 25+% of my income. But the fact that they didn't tax me more is welfare back to me.

frick this guy.

Posted by dkreller
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:54 am to
That's way too long bro
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:54 am to
quote:

upside the head is the notion that not taxing something is a governmental cost.


Who pays for it then?
Posted by bayouh2o
Arizona
Member since Sep 2006
928 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:55 am to
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Americans with good jobs live in a socialist welfare state more generous, cushioned and expensive to the public than any in Europe. Like a European system, we pool our resources to share the burden of catastrophic expenses, but unlike European models, our approach doesn’t cover everyone


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Americans with good jobs
= Taxpayers


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Nevertheless, taxpayers fund our retirement saving, health insurance, primary, secondary, and advanced education, daycare, commuter costs, and even our mortgages at a staggering public cost. Socialism for white people is all-enveloping, benevolent, invisible, and insulated by the nasty, deceptive notion that we have earned our benefits by our own hand.



quote:

Nevertheless, taxpayers
= Americans with good jobs


This post was edited on 4/1/17 at 8:56 am
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6765 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:55 am to
Down voting because this isn't the poli board. Keep your shite there.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:56 am to
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To the author, not further taxing someone for mortgage interest and insurance benefits,


Could you afford the full cost of everything if it wasn't subsidized for you?

That by definition is a handout
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
18000 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:56 am to
Taxpayers realistically could be anyone with job. Anyone with a job pays taxes :)
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
10055 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:58 am to
quote:

quote:
upside the head is the notion that not taxing something is a governmental cost.


Who pays for it then?


Who pays for what?
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
99037 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 8:59 am to
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Anyone with a job pays taxes :)


No they don't. Lots of people end up getting more taxes back than were withheld from their checks due to EIC
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:06 am to
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Who pays for it then?


Pays for what?

Not taxing something?

No one. That's kinda the point, dolt.







Look, some taxes are needed for society to function. But don't sit there acting that the entire GDP of your "subjects" are potentially there for your taking, and you are just benevolent enough to let them keep some.

NOT taxing doesn't cost you a dime. Be more efficient in your resource allocation and utilization.

Buying a tank, fueling Air Force One, conducting official studies, and paying out "refundable tax credits" does cost money. Those are actual dollars that come from somewhere.

If you can't see the gulf of difference between the two, there is no hope.

And that is where the article falls on its face: attempting to equate those two via an otherwise tenuous commonality.

Or if you insist in not seeing outside of your box: to expand on what another poster said, pointing out things paid by income taxpayers and given to income taxpayers, and equating it to things given to non-income tax payers but paid by income tax payers.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
76148 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:08 am to
Strong Safety's momma had one of these moments with his principal-

"Yoah sohn is heah" (points to below-average area on chart)

Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
22814 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:10 am to
Wrong board bub
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 4/1/17 at 9:11 am to
quote:

Taxpayers realistically could be anyone with job. Anyone with a job pays taxes :)


"Realistically" the biggest element in the topic of discussion here are over federal income taxes.

And the majority of Anericans don't pay a dime.

Not one penny.

And a sizable portion of that group probably points fingers at others with a liability in the 10k+ range AFTER all of your "white socialism" bullshite gets "given back" and tells them that they aren't paying their fair share.


Again, GTFO with that bullshite.
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