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re: Wonder how many German SS soldiers refused to kill during Holocaust.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 6:35 pm to Mushroom1968
Posted on 9/1/25 at 6:35 pm to Mushroom1968
I’ll just say…if a german soldier had a conscience, he was disqualified from becoming SS.
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 6:53 pm to Keltic Tiger
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In one of the YouTube videos covering interviews with former SS thugs, an old fart loses it, spittle dribbling out of his mustached-mouth, screaming about how tired he was hearing about Auschwitz, ranting it was all lies, as in where were all the bodies.
….and then you have Rudolph Hoss’ wife who moved to DC, shut her trap, and spent her last four decades tailoring our First Ladies dresses.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 7:00 pm to Mushroom1968
First off SS troops were mean SOBs. At the end of the war, many US troops refused to give them quarter.
Second, as tough as they were. machine gunning unarmed civilians was a bit much for many of them. It was an untenable solution for the Nazis. It lead directly to the European extermination camps.
Second, as tough as they were. machine gunning unarmed civilians was a bit much for many of them. It was an untenable solution for the Nazis. It lead directly to the European extermination camps.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 7:13 pm to lsuconnman
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40 years ago, US recruits sung Jodie’s about napalming children, and wreaking havoc
Oh, it was more recent than that. This was a regular in the 90s:
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Burn them backs and scorch them bellies, from the sky with napalm jelly.
That kind of thing tended to be the USAF. Army was far more rudimentary about killing in their jodies by comparison.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 7:21 pm to OMLandshark
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Himmler was a hypochondriac pussy
Spot on.
Definition of a paper tiger
Posted on 9/1/25 at 8:32 pm to Lexis Dad
Himmler was just weird. He was into the occult, worked to dissolve churches, especially the Catholic churches in Germany & wasted a lot of time & money on a search for The Ark. etc etc He was behind the SS breeding farms, mandating each SS soldier to have many multiple babies, married or other wise. The kidnapping & subsequent forced Aryanization of thousands of children from Poland & France .And he really was a chicken farmer prior to his Nazi career under Hitler.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 8:44 pm to Mushroom1968
They weren’t members of the SS if they weren’t willing to do things like that.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 8:52 pm to Mushroom1968
If German soldiers thought it was wrong they should have shot their superiors instead. frick all of them for what they did during WW2.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 8:56 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
I saw a show that had a bunch of Germans on it and they talked about this. Almost none of them wanted to do this and some flat out refused etc. You were not shot, that's bullshite but typically transferred to another unit and got a bad mark or something.
I remember many that refused and were excused then felt like shite because their fellow soldiers were all having to deal with etc so later joined in because they felt like they let their squad down etc. Not all SS were cold-blooded killers a lot were from affluent connected families etc. If I remember it correctly it seems like they were most likely to only refuse to refuse to allow their men to do it because murdering people particularly women and children fricks you up. If you watch that movie about when they all meet to come up with the final solution which is based upon a transcript etc, the Army general and maybe the SS commander said they are done shooting people and putting them into pits because it fricks them up and ruins them as soldiers. They basically all become alcoholics to deal with it.
I remember many that refused and were excused then felt like shite because their fellow soldiers were all having to deal with etc so later joined in because they felt like they let their squad down etc. Not all SS were cold-blooded killers a lot were from affluent connected families etc. If I remember it correctly it seems like they were most likely to only refuse to refuse to allow their men to do it because murdering people particularly women and children fricks you up. If you watch that movie about when they all meet to come up with the final solution which is based upon a transcript etc, the Army general and maybe the SS commander said they are done shooting people and putting them into pits because it fricks them up and ruins them as soldiers. They basically all become alcoholics to deal with it.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:01 pm to Mushroom1968
You talking about during combat or in the reeducation camps?
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:01 pm to TT9
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He bled the Russians pretty much down to nothing.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:07 pm to Shaun176
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There is a book about one of the execution squads. Also, the Stanford experiment shows how normal people can do bad things.
?"Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland" by Christopher R. Browning
The Milgram Expirment would be of interest.
Subjects were commanded to deliver shocks for incorrect answers, a high percentage of people chose to continue delivering (fake) harmful shocks and even to the point of causing (fake) deaths based on obedience to authority.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:09 pm to Mushroom1968
Why are Americans so fixated on topics like this?
Why don’t Americans ever talk about what the Japanese did to the Chinese in WW2? Or anyone else besides the Germans.
Hmm, I wonder why that is…
Why don’t Americans ever talk about what the Japanese did to the Chinese in WW2? Or anyone else besides the Germans.
Hmm, I wonder why that is…
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:13 pm to tide06
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The Wehrmacht wasn’t the Boy Scouts. If you failed to follow orders they shot you or sent you into a minefield to clear mines which amounts to the same thing.
One of the stories I’ve heard (from a historical tour at a camp) is when new recruits arrived at the camp the ranking member in charge of the camp would explain that anyone who goes into no man’s land would be shot and assign the men to shoot anyone who enters it. And then he’d take one of the new men’s hats and throw it into no mans land. He’d then order him to go fetch it. If he fetched it, he’d get shot in no man’s land, if he refused he was refusing an order from a direct superior and would then be shot. If his recruits refused to shoot the man they too would be shot for disobeying orders.
It was a horrifically evil brutal inexcusable time to be alive in either a Nazi or Communist country.
People often forget about the atrocities of the communists because we focus so much on the Nazis but 30+ million people starved under Stalin and Mao in Russia and China.
That doesn’t scratch the surface of the Asian side of the war which was so horrific it isn’t even taught in school.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:16 pm to TutHillTiger
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I saw a show that had a bunch of Germans on it and they talked about this. Almost none of them wanted to do this and some flat out refused etc. You were not shot, that's bullshite but typically transferred to another unit and got a bad mark or something.
In the aforementioned Reserve Police Battalion 101 a few were enthusiastic participants. Most were neutral or found it distasteful, but willingly followed orders. The commander gave those who couldn't or wouldn't participate the option of transferring to other duties and some took it, without negative consequences.
Note: if you're working in the kitchen or motor pool instead of pulling the trigger, you're still contributing to the overall effort. As long as you didn't make a big fuss about it, the authorities would accommodate you somewhat. Declaring yourself a conscientious objector and refusing to participate at all would land you in a concentration camp or worse. If there were any willing to go that far they were few and far between.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:17 pm to Jim Rockford
Thats pretty much how I remember it
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:19 pm to weagle1999
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Why are American’s so fixated on topics like this?
Fwiw I’m not fixated on it. Just a general random thought after seeing some stuff on tv
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Why don’t Americans ever talk about what the Japanese did to the Chinese in WW2? Or anyone else besides the Germans.
You’re more than welcome to talk about and many do. I’ve seen threads on here about it.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:22 pm to Mushroom1968
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Just a general random thought after seeing some stuff on tv
I’m not knocking you, but this is my point
Posted on 9/1/25 at 9:23 pm to weagle1999
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Hmm, I wonder why that is…
Tell us
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