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re: With Disney dying on a hill for the LGBTQ+abcdlmnop people, is Universal making bank?

Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:29 am to
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:29 am to
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Where are the ones about K-3?


Again, why is the left losing their shite over a law that only applies to K-3?

You shouldn't be asking where's the proof.....you should be asking why the outrage?
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:30 am to
again. that is horrible but i still i would like to pretend it isn’t happening no many matter how many examples are provided.

Posted by Palantir
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:30 am to
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This law isn’t about just K-3
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Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.
Huh?
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:30 am to
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Focus hard on hot button issues that really don't matter, turn people against other people even though its of no consequence to themselves.


Story of the Dimocrat Party, meanwhile Rome burns
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:31 am to
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I’m really not


Yes you are. You don't like the idea that parents can say thanks put no thanks to you and your services. That's rather odd to me.

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The system is set up for school staff to be involved with kids beyond class instruction and career counseling


I'd be happy to opt out of paying for things I don' think are necessary, but your institution's budget wouldn't like that.
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For instance, suicide prevention here is required by school counselors by state law (passed bipartisan) but you’re saying they shouldn’t be involved in mental health.


No, I've made no such blanket statement
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So which is it?


I love that you think you have some gotcha here
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 10:31 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:31 am to
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Where are the ones about K-3?
LINK

That is the entire state of New Jersey, not just one school.

LINK

There is the entire state of Washington.

LINK

That is the entire state of Oregon.

LINK

That is in the entire state of California.

Oh, and the one in California is taught with or without parental consent.

I’m sure there are other entire states out there.
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 10:34 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:31 am to
Much of the law concerns parents rights that have nothing to do with the age of the student. If only you had read the law…
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:31 am to
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but i still i would like to pretend it isn’t happening


Yea, frick that
Posted by Palantir
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:32 am to
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Again, why is the left losing their shite over a law that only applies to K-3?
Again, I don't know. The bill says that. Why the left is losing their shite is asking why the sky is blue.

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You shouldn't be asking where's the proof.....you should be asking why the outrage?
I mean I'd be pretty fricking outraged if some dude called me a groomer or pedophile because they went to Disney World too
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:33 am to
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I would take it further back Should we have school counselors?


I would say yes as teachers alone couldn’t manage scheduling, IEP meetings/ECE/504 plans, career counseling, etc.

Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10586 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:33 am to
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They can opt of allowing their kid to speak with the guidance counselor without the consent of the parent first.

That’s not what I asked.

I said “tell”, as did the original poster you responded to. As in a 1 way form of communication. You’re saying “speak with”, as in 2 way communication.

So I’ll ask again: what, specifically, can parents opt out of that prevents a kid from telling anyone they are being abused?
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:33 am to
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It's open hostility toward a class of people openly hostile to us (traditional, faith-based Americans). It's encroachment on turf long ceded to progressive efforts (education, mental health) resulting in predictable panic and sky screaming.


implying that traditional faith-based Americans have never been openly hostile and pearl clutching to alternative lifestyles

Posted by Palantir
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:33 am to
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Scruffy
fricking THANK YOU
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:33 am to
Congrats. You read section 3 but not section 1 and 2.

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46208 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:34 am to
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I mean I'd be pretty fricking outraged if some dude called me a groomer or pedophile because they went to Disney World too


That's not what's happening, and you know it.

You know why the "groomer" thing started? Because of the absolute visceral rage that came from the left when that bill was proposed. I mean losing their ever fricking minds over it.

So your average person has to ask themselves, "What kind of person goes in to an irrational rage over a bill that keeps sexual orientation and gender identities out of K-3 education?"

I'll let you figure out the rest.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:35 am to
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Therein lies the rub. What do you think the school counselor should be responsible for?


First and foremost, school instruction, time management, study skills, and academic related troubles.

Secondly, a place a student can go and report social trouble like bullying from peers and abuse from adults.

This law does not prevent any of that, unless you consider a parent not wanting their K-3 student to believe they are transgendered as abuse.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:35 am to
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I would say yes as teachers alone couldn’t manage scheduling, IEP meetings/ECE/504 plans, career counseling, etc.



The only thing I understood from that is career counseling

But if all that stuff is practical or career/education path oriented, fair enough. If so, is that all we should have counselors do? I like that idea.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:37 am to
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So your average person has to ask themselves, "What kind of person goes in to an irrational rage over a bill that keeps sexual orientation and gender identities out of K-3 education?"
A groomer, that’s who.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:40 am to
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Again, I don't know.


Groomers can't groom.

Thats it. They can't teach 5 year old kids about trannyism.

That's what this entire fiasco is about. The average progressive is totally unaware that they are simply the footsoldiers in the culture war
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 10:43 am
Posted by Palantir
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Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:44 am to
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Scruffy
Thanks for those links again.

After taking a few to look at them, I can now see why this bill was proposed. While I think the intent was not for evil purposes, it could very easily be taken advantage of by some evil fricks.
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