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re: With Disney dying on a hill for the LGBTQ+abcdlmnop people, is Universal making bank?

Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:04 am to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:04 am to
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I guess my question is why would you opt out of your kid taking to a guidance counselor in general?


If the counselor at my child's school is like some of the ones I've seen protesting this law, I could think of several reasons

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Are you honestly at odds with that? I think that’s a bit much.


And I think you're only focused on a worst case scenario that is highly unlikely to be any sort of norm.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:05 am to
You obviously haven’t read his posts in this very thread. Try reading and comprehending. Seems difficult for you but at least try.
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:06 am to
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The ultimate solution is simple, actually.

Teachers learn to simply teach.

Don’t throw in politics or social constructs.

You teach math? Then teach math.

I graduated from elementary school 20+ years ago and I had no idea if my teachers were married or lived somewhere else besides the classroom.

Modern teachers and teaching methods are abysmal. We have continued to decline year on year.


that’s it. very simple.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:06 am to
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I guess my question is why would you opt out of your kid taking to a guidance counselor in general?
That is in response to multiple reports of guidance counselors assisting in the gender transitioning of students without parental knowledge and even hiding suicidal and harmful mental states from parents.

These dumbfricks did this to their own profession.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:06 am to
Belle even has corrupting young people one mind at a time in her profile.



Based on the libsoftiktok I would never let a small child near a school counselor without meeting with them first.
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 10:08 am
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:07 am to
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I guess my question is why would you opt out of your kid taking to a guidance counselor in general?


That would entirely depend on how I viewed the particular guidance counselor. But a parent should have the ability to opt out of they wish.

It's their children, not the school's or government's.

I think this is the underlying issue that you don't seem to understand in terms of why people are so up in arms over this.

It's not directed at you personally, or even at your profession. It's at the prevailing idea on the left that the school system has more input on the raising of a child than the parents.

Does this happen in all school districts? Of course not. But it has been happening in a disturbing number across this country, and it's only getting worse.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:07 am to
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I guess my question is why would you opt out of your kid taking to a guidance counselor in general?

I’m not talking about for sex education or for some gender discussion.

Are you honestly at odds with that? I think that’s a bit much.


I mean, can you point me to more than a handful (if that) of social work or counseling programs that don't advocate strongly for concepts of equity, antiracism, anti whiteness, is supportive of trans issues and espouses the idea that trans lifestyles are legitimate and those against any of these things are problematic?

Assuming not, that's why I'd opt out of my kid talking to a guidance counselor.

Posted by Palantir
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:08 am to
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I graduated from elementary school 20+ years ago and I had no idea if my teachers were married or lived somewhere else besides the classroom.
I feel like the same could be said today as well, but here we are
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:09 am to
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I feel like the same could be said today as well, but here we are


I'll ask you the same question I asked Spleen:

If it isn't happening, then why the massive pushback from the left on this law in Florida? Why did Disney get involved?

The proper response, if it truly doesn't happen and doesn't matter, should have been "Ok DeSantis, make your stupid law and virtue signal to your constituents, because it's a pointless law".

But that's not what happened. Why?
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 10:11 am
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:09 am to
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I feel like the same could be said today as well, but here we are


are you saying teachers aren’t in fact forcing these conversations in classrooms?
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:09 am to
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Based on the libsoftiktok I would never let a small child near a school counselor without meeting with them first.



And that explains our entire media and tech institutions crashing down on a single account that does nothing but repost public comments
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:10 am to
We can be honest and say that many parents (often the worst ones) want the schools to be more active in raising their kids so they don’t have to do it themselves.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:10 am to
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That is in response to multiple reports of guidance counselors assisting in the gender transitioning of students without parental knowledge and even hiding suicidal and harmful mental states from parents.


But with this law that should no longer be an issue and should weed those folks out.

So there’s not really a good reason to opt-out.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:10 am to
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It's not directed at you personally, or even at your profession. It's at the prevailing idea on the left that the school system has more input on the raising of a child than the parents.
This.

There are recent news reports of schools putting out posters stating things like “if your parents don’t accept you, I’m your mama now”.

The children do not belong to the school and they should not have more control over the child than the parents.

Why would anyone argue otherwise?
Posted by Palantir
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:10 am to
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I'll ask you the same question I asked Spleen:

If it isn't happening, then why the massive pushback from the left on this law in Florida? Why did Disney get involved?
My answer:

frick if I know. It's dumb. This all reminds me of the Satanic Panic of the 80's...blown completely out of proportion
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:10 am to
They prefer to be in the shadows like roaches.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:11 am to
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We can be honest and say that many parents (often the worst ones) want the schools to be more active in raising their kids so they don’t have to do it themselves.



And the reality is that a lot of those are going to be too lazy/uninvolved to opt out.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:11 am to
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So there’s not really a good reason to opt-out.


Who are you to determine if a parent's reasoning is "good?"
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88021 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:11 am to
There’s a good reason if those people are still counselors. You just admitted to that.
Posted by Palantir
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:11 am to
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are you saying teachers aren’t in fact forcing these conversations in classrooms?
Can you provide examples off the top of your head?

I didn't even know this was an issue until the whole "groomer" thing came about
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