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re: With Disney dying on a hill for the LGBTQ+abcdlmnop people, is Universal making bank?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:36 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:36 am to LNCHBOX
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Which part specifically, and please link me to actual language and not your interpretation.
Section 5 (copy and paste is being silly on my phone).
It’d also allow them to opt out of suicide prevention programming (which in most states is mandatory). Just as a loophole consequence.
Florida bill
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:37 am to Pettifogger
quote:And honestly, personally, I agree for my own children. But sometimes I think people have a hard time looking outside their own bubble. There absolutely are kids k-3 that need help, and I think parts of this bill prevent that. That is all
The hard truth is that I don't want my 6 year old talking to a public school counselor or social worker at all, ever
It’s honestly similar to the “we are in this together” or “virtual school is fine” line from the WASPY pretentious liberals. They see their kid with his laptop and great home environment and think virtual school has no issue. They can’t even fathom a kid that has school as their only escape
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 9:38 am
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:38 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:I challenge that belief/statement.
Not usually, they typically ask to speak to a counselor (unless the teacher sees physical markers) if they’re going to verbally disclose.
“Education personnel” is the largest group of reporters. That may contain “guidance counselors”.
The point is, the law does not prevent them from doing exactly what you just stated.
If they wish to speak to someone, they can.
They can even still speak to the counselor.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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K-3? lol They almost always go to the person they are the most comfortable with. Its usually the teacher.
Which then gets sent to the guidance counselor who has been trained to further evaluate before contacting CHFS.
I mean if y’all are all for contacting CHFS at the drop of a hat by eliminating that counselor step, have at it and enjoy.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:38 am to BluegrassBelle
Is it opt in or opt out?
If it's an opt out option, I don't see how there is any alternative and that's likely the narrowest possible solution.
If it's an opt out option, I don't see how there is any alternative and that's likely the narrowest possible solution.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:39 am to Scruffy
quote:Not if the parents opt them out from those services
If they wish to speak to someone, they can.
They can even still speak to the counselor.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:39 am to Byrdybyrd05
Neither of those companies make a significant portion of their revenue from their theme parks.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:39 am to BluegrassBelle
Just curious but is the reporting of abuse a service that you can opt out of in this bill? If so, I know exactly who I’m looking at closely if I’m CPS
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:39 am to JustinBRLA
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I live an hour from Disney. We went this weekend and it was packed as usual. Not sure what hill you think they're dying on. They just aren't bothered by the existence of gay people . DeSantis is a blowhard just like Trump. Focus hard on hot button issues that really don't matter, turn people against other people even though its of no consequence to themselves. Nothing to see there, just low-IQ shitty humans.
Wow, way to out yourself as a low-IQ, low-T moron. I bet you force your 4 year-old to wear dresses, sit when he pees, and tell people he's a girl.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:39 am to BluegrassBelle
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It’d also allow them to opt out of suicide prevention programming (which in most states is mandatory)
Suicide prevention programming is sometimes mandatory for K-3?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:40 am to lsupride87
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And honestly, personally, I agree for my own children. But sometimes I think people have a hard time looking outside their own bubble. There absolutely are kids k-3 that need help, and I think parts of this bill prevent that. That is all
It’s honestly similar to the “we are in this together” or “virtual school is fine” line from the WASPY pretentious liberals. They see their kid with his laptop and great home environment and think virtual school has no issue. They can’t even fathom a kid that has school as their only escape
Ok - but for "us" - what's the narrower and less over broad option that retains the ability to keep these folks away from our kids?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:40 am to Scruffy
quote:
They can even still speak to the counselor.
Not if their parent opts out of them doing so via the language in Section 5 of the bill.
quote:
I challenge that belief/statement.
That’s just from my own experience and what’s been relayed in DV training.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:41 am to lsupride87
Yes. They. Can. I keep explaining it to you but you haven’t responded. The opt out is for the counseling services where the counselor provides advice and guidance through his own opinions. The student can still approach any admin to report abuse. And the admin has to get the authorities involved. This doesn’t negate those laws.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:41 am to Scruffy
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They can even still speak to the counselor.
Correct, who can then report if a crime has potentially been committed.
Nothing changes. You just cant counsel 5-8 year old children about sex and gender. I would hope no one was prior.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:41 am to BluegrassBelle
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It’d also allow them to opt out of suicide prevention programming
Yeah. All those k-3 kids jumping off bridges. Now it’s going to be out of control.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:43 am to lsupride87
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Not if the parents opt them out from those services
What is going to stop a kid from walking up to a counselor and telling them something?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:43 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:Y’all are so dumb. Just ignoring what the law says. Counseling and guidance SERVICE is opted out. They can’t provide their own opinions on matters to the student but they can escalate as needed when approached regarding abuse. Ffs.
Not if their parent opts out of them doing so via the language in Section 5 of the bill.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:44 am to Pettifogger
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Is it opt in or opt out? If it's an opt out option, I don't see how there is any alternative and that's likely the narrowest possible solution.
It’s withhold consent or decline a specific service.
I could very easily see where simply speaking with a guidance counselor can be considered a “service”. That’s the other issue with some of the language of the bills, their vagueness often leads to varying interpretations. But that’s a whole other discussion for another board.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:44 am to ell_13
quote:Ding ding ding
Yes. They. Can. I keep explaining it to you but you haven’t responded. The opt out is for the counseling services where the counselor provides advice and guidance through his own opinions. The student can still approach any admin to report abuse. And the admin has to get the authorities involved. This doesn’t negate those laws.
Winner, winner.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:45 am to TDTOM
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What is going to stop a kid from walking up to a counselor and telling them something?
An adult in some position of authority trying to make a point about this bill.
Because it certainly won’t be a teacher, Administator, or counselor with the child’s best interest at heart.
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