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re: With Delta Force killing the ISIS leader, I hope that..

Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:48 am to
Posted by jvargas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:48 am to
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With Delta Force killing the ISIS leader


Didn't he blow himself up?
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:52 am to
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I gotta ask, what’s wrong with writing a book if you don’t share anything classified?


Because a book is a money grab by one individual. Bin Laden wasn't put down by one person. It was a team effort. Some of these guys understand, live and breathe team and some are lone wolves. The loners are hated because you can't execute a high level capture or kill mission without solid teamwork from top to bottom. That's what is wrong with a fricking book.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:02 am to
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Because a book is a money grab by one individual. Bin Laden wasn't put down by one person. It was a team effort. Some of these guys understand, live and breathe team and some are lone wolves


Except it’s also a ton of jealousy. How many of those members of the entire team could write a book that people could buy? Ok sure maybe you should split the proceeds. But you know you don’t win a football game without a team, yet the QB still gets most of the fame and fortune.

Life’s not always fair.
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:03 am to
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:10 am to
Nobody cares what delta farce is up to.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
21667 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:12 am to
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the team put together to hunt him and that took responsibility for capturing him consisted of CIA, Seals, Delta Force, and OGA

Who is OGA? I Googled and the closest I could come up with is the Office of Global Affairs. Is that them?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:14 am to
Other Governmental Agency

CIA/FBI/DEA/DIA.....shite like that. Although in this case it probably just refers to CIA.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:14 am to
There is so much wrong with that infographic it’s tragic. Where was that published?

As far as the OP, release of info is dictated by culture. The SEALs and Delta have always been polar opposites on this and I don’t see this mission changing that. Delta has a strict policy, talk to the media and you are immediately transferred out of the Unit. Period. Retire and then talk to the media, you are PNG from the group.

SEALs, on the other hand, have no such policies or traditions.

Two old jokes:

You know how to tell a guy is a SEAL? Just wait around a minute and he will tell you.

You know how to slow down a SEAL beach assault? Put out some mirrors. They can’t pass one by without stopping to check themselves out.

Then there is the talk of the SEAL unit line item in the budget for hair products.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:14 am to
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With Delta Force killing the ISIS leader


it should also be noted that the Iraqis gave the US actionable intelligence on the whereabouts of the ISIS leader.

The Iraqis captured two people who gave up the location of Al-Baghdadi

Kudos to Iraq, Trump, and the American military for removing a truly evil man from this planet
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:25 am to
The dude's kit in the picture is wrong. Other than that...
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2614 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:25 am to
I think there is a different value applied to "secrecy" in the Delta community.

This took place years ago and things may have changed but...

My step brother was in Delta. We were both stationed at Ft. Bragg at the same time. I went to high school school with his wife and rode with her one time to pick up mail he had sent her from the Delta compound. He was in Delta, I KNOW he was in Delta. Prior to that he had spent years on SF teams. There were pictures in my Dads house of my step brothers' SF graduation. This guy was SF through and through.

Once when he was back at Bragg I went to eat dinner over at his house. I asked what he had been up to. Answer... Private contractor testing weapons for the DOD. He wouldn't even admit to me his step brother that he was in Delta. In my 3 years at Bragg I never saw or heard of anyone admitting they were in Delta, ever. Even the compound was nondescript.

For all intents and purposes, that organization does not exist and you probably won't get anyone to actually admit otherwise. I would be shocked based on my experience if they went the way of the seals.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 10:49 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:29 am to
Ahh. Makes sense
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:33 am to
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For all intents and purposes, that organization does not exist and you probably won't get anyone to actually admit otherwise. I would be shocked based on my experience if they went the way of the seals.


There’s a time and place for both of these though. Psychological warfare is real. It can be beneficial to have some braggarts around. A well known sniper in country will keep heads down. A well known team of spec ops same thing. There’s also certainly a time to have guys that stay quiet.

I don’t see it as one being better or worse, simply different with a different purpose.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
82804 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:34 am to
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just refers to CIA.


Crawfish Investigation Association??? those guys are badass!!!
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 10:39 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
21667 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:38 am to
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A well known sniper in country will keep heads down

I dont think you have to have braggarts around for that to be effective. If there is a badass sniper in country, the opposing forces will get the picture pretty soon and word of mouth will spread very quick.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22408 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:39 am to
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I dont think you have to have braggarts around for that to be effective. If there is a badass sniper in country, the opposing forces will get the picture pretty soon and word of mouth will spread very quick.


If say Chris Kyle was Delta and not a Seal, would that still be the case? I honestly don’t know.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 10:40 am
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
39338 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:48 am to
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It can be beneficial to have some braggarts around.


Not when they inflate their egos and it leads them to believing they’re invincible or much better than they actually are.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
21667 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 10:48 am to
They may not know him by name. But I guarantee they know there is a sniper in town ending their comrades in a cloud of pink mist.

They couldn't give a shite what his name is, but they know he is there and try to plan accordingly to avoid ending up in his scope.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:15 am to
Part of the SEALs problem is the publicity whores but they have also radically expanded the numbers of SEALs and that has watered them down a lot.

SOG doesn't have the same problem yet. Hopefully they won't go through such a growth spurt.

I wonder if it was 5th group or who on the raid...

One thing I do know is the Night Stalker Crew won't be talking. They won't even talk shop among themselves over missions. If you are the same aircrew and command you get debriefed and that is it. No group war stories, nothing outside the pilot, co-pilot, and two non-rated crew members (crew chiefs).



This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 11:19 am
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16148 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:21 am to
SEALs and SEAL team 6 have become unfortunately ubiquitous as well. Although, guys like Rob what’s his name of ST6 have certainly muffed the water.

I like the anonymity of Delta. I hope it stays that way.
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