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Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:58 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:are you saying they don't have a choice? Because they infact did have a choice. The woman with breast cancer never was giving the choice to not have cancer, like the addict had.
Wouldn't we all. The fact that you guys think that addicts want to be addicts just shows your ignorance. No one wakes up and wants to be an addict.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:58 am to ReauxlTide222
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Do you know of any ways that I can avoid it?
avoid drugs and alcohol and predisposed genetics?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:58 am to Ed Osteen
quote:no I'm not. I'm just having a discussion. I'm sorry you are taking it to heart.
You are just going out of your way to be an a-hole
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:59 am to ReauxlTide222
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It can instantly be treated or maybe even cured in some cases by caring about being a quality person over getting high.
Yeah, so?
I also disagree with calling it a “disease”, because I think that can serve as a crutch for addicts and cause them to believe they don’t have agency.
But even though what I quoted above is technically true, it’s pretty obtuse of you to say things like “it’s just that easy”. You could say that about most bad decisions people make. It doesn’t mean it’s actually easy to stop or that people don’t deserve help just by virtue of being loved.
And drug addiction has many factors involved, some of which can’t be blamed on the addict, so I don’t think it’s very helpful to call it an easy, simple decision like whether or not to brush your teeth or go to bed early at night.
There needs to be a balance between holding people responsible (treating them as if they have agency) and being empathetic and realistic about the obstacles they face.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:59 am to CarRamrod
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are you saying they don't have a choice? Because they infact did have a choice. The woman with breast cancer never was giving the choice to not have cancer, like the addict had.
Notice he said breast and not lung cancer as to avoid the smoking thing.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:59 am to EarlyCuyler3
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By your logic, we should let people drown too since they always attempt to drown their rescuer as well. Sounds stupid, doesn't it?
Drowning is a choice? Not the best analogy, man.
People who swim probably don't facilitate their swimming by cleaning out your garage either, so....
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:59 am to Ed Osteen
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predisposed genetics
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:00 am to CarRamrod
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are you saying they don't have a choice? Because they infact did have a choice. The woman with breast cancer never was giving the choice to not have cancer, like the addict had.
So did the smoker that has lung cancer. So did the diabetic that continues to eat garbage. So did the dialysis patient that wouldn't take his HTN medications?
Let's just cut them off too, right?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:00 am to TH03
quote:some cancer is cause some just happens. But you have to be strategic in debates.
Notice he said breast and not lung cancer as to avoid the smoking thing.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:01 am to CarRamrod
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But you have to be strategic in debates.
I know.
I more or less agree with both of you here. There's definitely a choice in doing drugs, but the addiction can take over and leave you feeling helpless and trapped.
I don't think drug addicts are inherently bad, but the addiction can lead you to bad, malicious behavior.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:02 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:01 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:z
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So addicts undergo a long, long period of hopelessness, depression, malaise and when the brain is in that kind of depressed mode, not seeing any way out, a lot return to drugs
Why?
Because their brains aren't functioning in reasonable / understandable way. This is like asking why someone with [insert whatever mental disorder] is acting erratic or why they are acting crazy
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:02 am to Bedhog
Everyone in that video...raycis
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:02 am to Bedhog
That's how I feel when ya'll try to argue in the face of actual science and research. And it doesn't even make any difference to you personally. Somehow ya'll are so offended over a disease concept that you will literally ignore research and facts because you don't like what they show. It's amazing.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:02 am to ReauxlTide222
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I’d like to avoid the disease of addiction.
Do you know of any ways that I can avoid it?
Smoking or dipping can give you cancer. Does that make cancer not a disease in that case?
You and the others are trying to argue that what makes something a disease is if it’s choice to get there. I don’t know why in your mind a disease is something that you can’t prevent. Just like unhealthy diets and lifestyles can lead to things like diabetes and heart disease. For a number of those people with those diseases, it’s a consequence of their actions but guys doesn’t make it not a disease.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:03 am to TH03
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There's definitely a choice in doing drugs, but the addic
there are no buts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:04 am to EarlyCuyler3
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That person OD'ing and shooting up in the bathroom of a filthy gas station just wants the same feeling you get from a beer or a joint
WTF?
That's not even close to being a reasonable remark.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:04 am to Bedhog
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there are no buts
Your refusal to accept the truth of my statement says more about your intellect than anything.
Looking at things as black and white is extremely low IQ.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:05 am to AU_251
IT put the not following commands into perspective in th Barbie doll case huh?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:05 am to EarlyCuyler3
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That's how I feel when ya'll try to argue in the face of actual science and research. And it doesn't even make any difference to you personally. Somehow ya'll are so offended over a disease concept that you will literally ignore research and facts because you don't like what they show. It's amazing.
I've always wanted to try cocaine, like in a bad way because I hear all the fun stories about hookers and blow. But I've never done it because I know what kind of disposition and personality I have and know I'd get hooked on the shite.
Why is this such a hard thing to grasp? So, you were weak and tried the shite and now you want to call it a disease?
Nahh fam, frick that.
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