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re: Wisconsin police release deadly shooting of police and paramedics trying to help a man
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:06 am to CarRamrod
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:06 am to CarRamrod
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no I'm not. I'm just having a discussion. I'm sorry you are taking it to heart.
I don't take anything here to heart but being personally affected and had family members affected I do take it more seriously. You're just wrong though so I felt the need to correct you
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:07 am to ReauxlTide222
Rehab and AA
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:07 am to Bedhog
excellent contribution to the discussion. It's not even up to debate anymore that genetics play a part in addiction with the current research
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:08 am to ReauxlTide222
Because it is a disease and they don’t have a solution to stop.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:08 am to Bedhog
Death by political correctness.
EMTs and firefighters are not LEO. However, when accessing an unconscious patient it is completely appropriate to scan for trauma. A scan that should have revealed the gun.
Officers on scene within 5 min but shooting over 20 min later. That weapon and that criminal should have been secured long before then.
The instant he admitted to taking his wife's morphine he should have been put in cuffs. That was the first clear indication of an arrestable crime vs simply a medical emergency. If after a search and warrant check there was no additional issues,the officers could then choose the proceed with an arrest or not.
After identifying the bulge under the shirt several minutes prior to the shooting and the criminal refusing a search, the officers should have communicated with each other and bystanders better, adjusted their positions and unholstered their weapons. Allowing him to back away and lift his shirt, unsnap the holster and draw before reacting emphasizes the lack of mental preparedness for his actions and officer reaction.
EMTs and firefighters are not LEO. However, when accessing an unconscious patient it is completely appropriate to scan for trauma. A scan that should have revealed the gun.
Officers on scene within 5 min but shooting over 20 min later. That weapon and that criminal should have been secured long before then.
The instant he admitted to taking his wife's morphine he should have been put in cuffs. That was the first clear indication of an arrestable crime vs simply a medical emergency. If after a search and warrant check there was no additional issues,the officers could then choose the proceed with an arrest or not.
After identifying the bulge under the shirt several minutes prior to the shooting and the criminal refusing a search, the officers should have communicated with each other and bystanders better, adjusted their positions and unholstered their weapons. Allowing him to back away and lift his shirt, unsnap the holster and draw before reacting emphasizes the lack of mental preparedness for his actions and officer reaction.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:08 am to Ed Osteen
quote:thank you. It's called accountability.
excellent contribution to the discussion
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:09 am to Bedhog
quote:
thank you. It's called accountability.
That's a funny way of spelling ignorant.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:10 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:I didn’t say I think you WANT to be an addict.
The fact that you guys think that addicts want to be addicts just shows your ignorance
I think you value the awesome feeling of being high, the escape, and the momentary freeing from responsibility more than you value keeping yourself in a state that allows you to function properly and responsibly.
quote:bullshite.
That person OD'ing and shooting up in the bathroom of a filthy gas station just wants the same feeling you get from a beer or a joint.
And at one point in my life 7 beers would get me hammered. Then 10. Then 12. Then I realized I need to lay off the alcohol because I see a pattern starting and I’m aware that this can happen to people. So I pulled WAY back on my alcohol consumption.
At one point a few bumps would be all I needed or cared about during a night out. Then I found myself buying a half g for myself. Then gradually I noticed that half g would leave me wanting more and wasn’t near enough. Then I missed class because I too fricked up from being high with no sleep.
So I immediately quit that shite.
I’m sure really hardcore drugs are much harder to put down. But one just needs to value being a responsible person more than getting high to beat the disease.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:10 am to lsuguy13
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Because it is a disease and they don’t have a solution to stop.
Was the guy an addict or recreational user?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:10 am to Bedhog
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Why is this such a hard thing to grasp? So, you were weak and tried the shite and now you want to call it a disease?
Nahh fam, frick that.
But what about the others who didn't have such a strong grasp of their disposition, or those who were exposed to illicit substances as a young teenager?
Are we really going to take the position that a 14 year old, who took what someone offered him without really knowing what it was or the potential ramifications, made a "choice" to become an addict?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:10 am to Ed Osteen
So much compassion for addicts that chose to start down that slippery slope, that chose to put that needle in their arm. So I guess your stance on abortion is pro-life?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:12 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Are we really going to take the position that a 14 year old, who took what someone offered him without really knowing what it was or the potential ramifications, made a "choice" to become an addict?
Using once never makes one an addict.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:12 am to Ed Osteen
They made their choice
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:12 am to Bedhog
quote:
It's called accountability.
That's for sure a big part of it though
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:13 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
I’m sure really hardcore drugs are much harder to put down. But one just needs to value being a responsible person more than getting high to beat the disease.
exactly. I've been prescribed opioids for pain and after dental procedures. I've tried them before and really liked them. That's why i take 1000 mg ibuprofen now for pain after procedures.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:13 am to ReauxlTide222
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And at one point in my life 7 beers would get me hammered. Then 10. Then 12. Then I realized I need to lay off the alcohol because I see a pattern starting and I’m aware that this can happen to people. So I pulled WAY back on my alcohol consumption.
So congrats, you're not an addict? That doesn't mean the condition doesn't exist.
I eat a lot of junk food and my blood pressure is fine. Does that mean high blood pressure doesn't exist either?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:13 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
And at one point in my life 7 beers would get me hammered. Then 10. Then 12. Then I realized I need to lay off the alcohol because I see a pattern starting and I’m aware that this can happen to people. So I pulled WAY back on my alcohol consumption.
quote:
At one point a few bumps would be all I needed or cared about during a night out. Then I found myself buying a half g for myself. Then gradually I noticed that half g would leave me wanting more and wasn’t near enough. Then I missed class because I too fricked up from being high with no sleep.
But you aren't an addict - your brain doesn't work the same way.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:13 am to CarRamrod
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are you saying they don't have a choice? Because they infact did have a choice. The woman with breast cancer never was giving the choice to not have cancer, like the addict had.
So for an addict they do have a choice to start in most cases. When I drank for the first time I chose to do that. Same with smoking weed, coke, popping pills etc. at some point I crossed over to where it wasn’t a choice anymore. There’s an obsession that comes along with addiction and once that kicks in, good luck stopping it.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:14 am to Bleeding purple
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EMTs and firefighters are not LEO. However, when accessing an unconscious patient it is completely appropriate to scan for trauma. A scan that should have revealed the gun.
Officers on scene within 5 min but shooting over 20 min later. That weapon and that criminal should have been secured long before then.
Hate to say it, but it was probably due to the cops complacency. Appleton, where this happened, has a murder rate of 1-2 per 100,000. It's a very safe city where the cops don't deal with a whole lot outside of DUI's and small crimes.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:15 am to 1BamaRTR
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Does that make cancer not a disease in that case?
You and the others are trying to argue that what makes something a disease is if it’s choice to get there. I don’t know why in your mind a disease is something that you can’t prevent. Just like unhealthy diets and lifestyles can lead to things like diabetes and heart disease. For a number of those people with those diseases, it’s a consequence of their actions but guys doesn’t make it not a disease.
The difference is that you can, as a matter of pure fact, stop putting drugs in your system. It may take physical restraint to stop it, but it can certainly be stopped.
You can’t just turn off the cancer once you have it, no matter what caused it.
I can see the reasons for calling the addiction itself a disease, but the taking of drugs is not a disease, and the continued taking of drugs is what makes the addiction have negative consequences, once withdrawals are over.
Tl;dr. Cancer is self-sustaining and deadly in and of itself.
Addiction is not deadly in and of itself, and my guess is it’s not self-sustaining either (as far as the chemical effects that cause the perceived need for drugs), but someone with expertise in that can correct me.
So equating it to cancer, no matter the cause of the cancer, is misleading.
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