re: Wisconsin police release deadly shooting of police and paramedics trying to help a man

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American medical Association and a lot of other medical associations define it as a disease. So I guess you know more than them?

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We have already covered this as to why. Its a crutch. How would these already fragile people react if we dared to tell them the truth when they are seeking help? If you want to see the result then look no further than this page. They would become unhinged. So, we call it a 'disease' to make everyone feel better and not hurt any feelings.

Like I stated earlier

It starts with a choice at some point it’s no longer a choice. You won’t understand it unless you’ve been through it. That’s a fact. It’s 100 percent a disease. And it kills a lot of people each year. I’m not unhinged. I’m sharing my experience from someone that battled a crippling heroin addiction for years. And now I work in the field. I’d say I know a little more about it than you. But hey if you want your opinion that they call it a disease to make people feel better, you’re entitled to your wrong opinion

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marijuana they od on

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BRB, going to inform the AMA and all those doctors that they're wrong

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So you're saying that the scientific or medical community has never made changes to their diagnostic/labelling criteria for monetary/political/PC reasons??? Good to know...

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Would it be normal for the first responders to feel this guy up when he was out to make sure he didn’t have any weapons?

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I’ll admit it can be common enough dealing with overdoses and pushing narcan to sometimes get complacent. He was sitting in a seat and if they saw no obvious signs of trauma I can see pushing narcan while getting a blood sugar and maybe not feeling him up.

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Also, how did this never become a, “show me your fricking hands” situation?

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As far as police I’m not sure. I’m admit I’m bad myself at expecting police to take care of these situations. We are usually so focused on health and status of patient and especially if police are there leave them to worrying about our safety. Now if call comes in as something that seems unsafe we won’t go on scene until police have cleared it many times.

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Why was this guy allowed to draw on these officers and first responders?

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Complacency unfortunately on both police and ems. I’ve even been at fault with that with dangerous people. I had a guy threaten to whoop my arse many years ago while helping his friend who took some bad shite, don’t remember the drug but I think mojo. He was fricked up also just not as bad as guy we were helping. Man refused to go and I threatened to call police to make him go, told them I don’t care if they hide the dope, he needs to go to hospital b/c his vitals were awful and he was out of his mind. I made my crew walk to ambulance and get in but my dumb arse stayed with pt. Fortunately things came out ok and we got him loaded up. But police as far as video here it seems should have never let this happen, can’t not blame the ems guys, even though it sucks to. Honestly we in ems aren’t trained to think about searching for weapons. You got to understand l, we may go to 10-15 ambulance runs a shift, 2-3 a shift with someone unresponsive, it gets routine.

ETA: I’ve had more dope fall out of pockets in my ambulance than I care to count. I always just give it back to pt and don’t say shite (if just weed)

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How would these already fragile people react if we dared to tell them the truth when they are seeking help?

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How dumb are you? What do you think people told alcoholics throughout thousands of years before the disease concept was put forward? Did it help at all? You really need to rethink your logic, it's terrible.

If anybody cares, pretty interesting article on brain function and how it is impacted by addiction.

LINK

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Genetic vulnerability contributes to the risk of developing an addiction. Twin and adoption studies show that about 40% to 60% of susceptibility to addiction is hereditary. But behavior plays a key role, especially when it comes to reinforcing a habit.

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According to the current theory about addiction, dopamine interacts with another neurotransmitter, glutamate, to take over the brain's system of reward-related learning. This system has an important role in sustaining life because it links activities needed for human survival (such as eating and sex) with pleasure and reward. The reward circuit in the brain includes areas involved with motivation and memory as well as with pleasure. Addictive substances and behaviors stimulate the same circuit — and then overload it. Repeated exposure to an addictive substance or behavior causes nerve cells in the nucleus accumbens and the prefrontal cortex (the area of the brain involved in planning and executing tasks) to communicate in a way that couples liking something with wanting it, in turn driving us to go after it. That is, this process motivates us to take action to seek out the source of pleasure.

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I suppose then that you don't have your mind made up then? haha

And I have seen no evidence

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Challenging your mental ability to over come things by saying you are stronger or weaker is too much to handle?

Is lacking the mental fortitude to over come addiction better terminology for you?

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You don’t sound like someone who wants to help anyone overcome addiction or really even gives a damn whether anyone does, so why become involved in the conversation?

Serious question.