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re: Will The New TOPS Regulations Further The Eventual Closing of These Schools?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:31 pm to slackster
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:31 pm to slackster
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No, you're anecdotal evidence doesn't prove shite about how successful someone will be in college.
I know quite a few people who didn't perform well on the ACT, but were successful in college and went on to graduate. I'm using myself as an example, but I can think of quite a few people that were in the same exact boat as I was.
There are people who have the cognizant ability to be successful in college, but don't perform well on standardized testing like the ACT. IMO, ACT doesn't prove shite in regards to whether or not a person has what it takes to complete a college curriculum. If that person wants to do it and is willing to put forth the work to see it through, then that person will be successful. Most of these kids today aren't willing to do what it takes to make it through a degreed program.
In my case, I almost fell into that trap, but I made a decision very early on that I was going to do whatever I needed to do to ensure I graduate with my degree in Electrical Engineering. Was it easy??? Hell no. I had to work a part time job 25 hours per week and spent many late nights staying up solving these ridiculous problems and projects these professors thought of that had absolutely no barring on what's expected of you in the "real world" environment.
Colleges in general don't teach you shite about what you should be learning about real world life applications, but that's an argument for another day.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 3:09 pm
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:31 pm to shawnlsu
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20 isn't difficult.
See, I wouldn't say this because the difficulty is all relative. A 30 isn't difficult to someone who made a 33. However, there needs to be a standard, and somewhere along the line the standard became the state average, and that is not a standard. A 26 is more than fair for a merit-based scholarship.
Also, I know people like the idea of having to pay it back if you leave or lose it, but that isn't going to happen with any scholarship.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:36 pm to slackster
I think this may finally be the tool which gets us to the point of closing colleges. But like everything else political, it may not come to pass. The legislators don't have the courage to close campuses, so they probably won't have the courage to cripple their school's ability to enroll more students.
Campuses need to be shut down. Period.
Campuses need to be shut down. Period.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:38 pm to upgrayedd
Honestly this will create more people to get a trade instead of stupid crap like liberal arts or journalism. This is actually good for work places and industries
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:42 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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There are people who have the cognizant ability to be successful in college, but don't perform well on standardized testing like the ACT. IMO, ACT doesn't prove shite in regards to whether or not a person has what it takes to complete a college curriculum. If that person wants to do it and is willing to put forth the work to see it through, then that person will be successful.
I agree with you to an extent, but now we're adding variables to the equation. The fact of the matter is that the ACT or other standardized tests are the best individual metric with respect to one's ability to handle a college curriculum. It is a snapshot of that ability though. Sometimes people grow up and mature in college, take it seriously, and over-perform their scores. Sometimes people mail it in and don't give a shite and severely underperform their scores. However, there is no way to know that with anyone, and if you're trying to decide what 17 and 18 year old high school seniors are ready for college, the ACT is a damn good place to start.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:48 pm to The First Cut
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TOPS isn't why tuition has been raising. You only have to look at the 49 other states that don't have TOPS.
TOPS is part of the problem. Subsidized educations, whether it be through federal loans or scholarships, has driven up the demand for college educations and lined the pockets of administrators for a long time. Colleges are bloated because all they have to do is get you in and someone, somewhere, will pay for it.
Also. I don't believe your data takes into account the TOPS program in the state funding numbers. I believe the numbers are just the direct state funding in the budgets.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:20 pm to slackster
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TOPS is part of the problem. Subsidized educations
It's always been subsidized. Even with TOPS scholarships in place the cuts to higher Ed have been a net drop in recent years.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:28 pm to The First Cut
Which is why I set it is part of the problem. TOPS is one of the many, many tools that funnel money into the system from 3rd parties. 3rd party payers are the root cause of the increase in higher education costs. Everyone is all too eager to spend someone else's money.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:31 pm to Slippy
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Campuses need to be shut down. Period.
This state couldn't even close down SUNO which has a graduation rate of 4%. There's no way in hell they touch these other schools.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 6:35 pm to Bourre
I don't think we have unnecessary 4 year colleges; We have too many running costly and low enrollment graduate and research programs funded by state taxpayers (research needs to be funded by donors or the feds).
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:16 pm to The First Cut
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TOPS isn't why tuition has been raising. You only have to look at the 49 other states that don't have TOPS.
The increase in scholarships in general has allowed colleges to raise tuition. If a student is on a scholly that pays 100% tuition, the student does care what it costs. That's also why textbooks have increased.
It has a ripple effect. Look at the high dollar apartments around campuses. Extra education dollars can go toward living expenses since tuition is covered.
I discussed this with college level administrators and they agree - but just don't want to be quoted !!!!
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