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re: Will The New TOPS Regulations Further The Eventual Closing of These Schools?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:32 pm to Barf
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:32 pm to Barf
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You would be surprised how many people only have one shot at taking the test without any access to prep classes or without any real preparation from their high school itself. For those kids, a 20 is no small feat.
We can not continue to blame kids for their lack of education. That's on us. That's our fault.
At least someone gets it....
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:34 pm to Womski
How is it even possible to get into a four year college with a 14 on the ACT? And this is the 25th percentile, which means there are probably lower than 14s that are admitted.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:35 pm to Womski
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Considering how our colleges have used TOPS as an excuse to raise tuition and fees
I don't follow thing logic at all. Universities have been raising tuition because the state has continually been cutting support.
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When Gov. Bobby Jindal took office eight years ago, state taxpayers provided 60 percent of the funding for Louisiana’s public universities.
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Now, taxpayers put up barely a quarter of the tab, leaving students and their families to cover most of the gap in the form of rising tuition and fees.
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TOPS isn't why tuition has been raising. You only have to look at the 49 other states that don't have TOPS.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:36 pm to Womski
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Xavier 25% 19 / 75% 25
NOPE Xavier is about $35k and is a private university when I went Tops was only like $1200.
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Do you think there will be backlash to come from the 'disenfranchised' who believe that TOPS should only be for minorities?
No the backlash will be from the franchised who buy f250s and $60k bay boats.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:36 pm to SuperSaint
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I'd like to see the percentage of that money in La that gets taken off the top and goes to 'administration' or 'studies'
By School
Just select a school district and see. As a taxpayer print up one for all the schools in your area and then look at their test scores. Go to SB meetings and ask why you are paying more for education than half the country and still have one of the lowest literacy scores in the nation. I will repeat again that education must take priority in the home. If it is not a priority then spending 20k per student won't fix the problems in Louisiana.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:37 pm to Womski
Is this basically etched in stone? I know it hasn't been passed yet, but is it likely?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:37 pm to fr33manator
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Why?
Because your government would see to it that they have the opportunity to drag LSU down to the current level of Southern. If Southern were to close, LSU would turn into a shithole.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:37 pm to LSUFanHouston
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which means there are probably lower than 14s that are admitted
Well 14 is the 25th percentile so people with less than 14 make it. Also, the 25th percentile in English at Grambling is a 12!
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:43 pm to Barf
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You would be surprised how many people only have one shot at taking the test without any access to prep classes or without any real preparation from their high school itself. For those kids, a 20 is no small feat.
We can not continue to blame kids for their lack of education. That's on us. That's our fault.
No that is on the parents and the child. When I was a kid my school didn't offer a prep class. I asked to take the test 3 times and went and found materials to study along with my parents help. Its time people take responsibility for their actions. No one is going to give you shite in life. You have to want it. So you can blame yourself if you want, but I will sleep well tonight knowing that I will be sure my children or prepared for their future.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:43 pm to Womski
Wow, look at Tulane's averages. Had no idea they'd be that high.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:44 pm to shawnlsu
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God forbid we use programs that we pay for. Do you actually think that the people you are defending pay for this program?
Pay for your own children's education you fricking leach. Why should I pay for your kids to get an education? Why don't your learn a thing or two about personal responsibility before you ask for a government hand out baw.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:45 pm to Barf
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You would be surprised how many people only have one shot at taking the test without any access to prep classes or without any real preparation from their high school itself. For those kids, a 20 is no small feat.
I'm not blaming the kid in a lot of these instances. But the fact remains, the kid is not ready for college if they can't score a 20. This kid would be best served by going to a junior college for a year to ease in the transition.
We gotta stop this whole social promotion idea.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:45 pm to ssgtiger
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No that is on the parents and the child. When I was a kid my school didn't offer a prep class. I asked to take the test 3 times and went and found materials to study along with my parents help. Its time people take responsibility for their actions. No one is going to give you shite in life. You have to want it. So you can blame yourself if you want, but I will sleep well tonight knowing that I will be sure my children or prepared for their future.
I took it for the first time as a Junior the morning after homecoming, hungover as frick and got a 24 that time. A 20 isn't difficult.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:46 pm to The First Cut
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Also, the 25th percentile in English at Grambling is a 12!
Commenting on this would probably lead to a ban, so I'm going to let that one go.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:50 pm to MontyFranklyn
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I have no problem with kids not qualifying for TOPS if they don't meet the requirements, but I do think their should be a tuition reimbursement for those that have low test scores coming out of high school, but maintain a 3.25 or better
If a kid has the GPA but not the test score, he/she should have a choice:
1) Go to junior college for a year and have TOPS pay for that up front
2) Go to a four year school, pay for it on your own, and if you meet the requirements of GPA to have TOPS renew for a second year, you get put on TOPS going forward AND TOPS pays you back for the first year.
But it sure seems like this whole "great student, terrible test taker" thing is overblown. I'm sure it exists, but I have my doubts as to how much it really happens.
Besides a lot of college exams are structured like standardized tests, so if you can't hack it in high school, how are you going to hack it in college?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:05 pm to Barf
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You would be surprised how many people only have one shot at taking the test without any access to prep classes or without any real preparation from their high school itself. For those kids, a 20 is no small feat.
Even if I concede that, it's not as if these kids are going to figure it out in college. If you're that far behind because of the system, it's too late.
There are real issues in the school system, but that is a separate issue from TOPS, at least in the way that you framed it.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:08 pm to Barf
quote:no it was originally started to keep LA kids in LA for college instead of going out of state.
Wasn't it originally aimed to help people with less access to higher ed? But middle class whites got a taste of their piece of free education pie and frick giving that up.
Be careful with that thinking around here. There is nothing the OT likes more than rich white people.
But yea, you're pretty much spot on correct.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:10 pm to Barf
quote:nope again. It is their faults, their parents faults, and their cultures fault.
We can not continue to blame kids for their lack of education. That's on us. That's our fault.
Plenty of people make it out of the ghetto by studying.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:13 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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A standardized test doesn't prove shite in regards to how successful you'll be in college.
No, you're anecdotal evidence doesn't prove shite about how successful someone will be in college.
That is like saying the star system is terrible because of Morris Claiborne, despite the fact there is an incredibly high correlation between college/NFL success and recruiting rankings.
People may slip through the cracks, but make no mistake - standardized testing is the single greatest individual metric for collegiate success. Is it the end all, be all? No, of course not, which is why GPAs and overall resumes are used as well, but if you could only use one metric, the ACT or SAT would be the one.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 2:15 pm to Barf
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You would be surprised how many people only have one shot at taking the test
This is a stupid statement. How can you only have one shot?
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You would be surprised how many people only have one shot at taking the test
TOPS is not meant to provide free education for all. It's supposed to be a merit based scholarship program aimed at keeping the youth who strive for academic achievement in the state.
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