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re: Will North Korea ever be liberated?

Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:48 am to
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:48 am to
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There is no money in liberating North Korea. They have no natural resources worth fighting over.


Actually South Korea estimates the total value of the North's mineral deposits at more than $6 trillion USD.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 9:51 am to
Really? I did not know that. What do they have?
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:05 am to
Military uprising. A horrifically bloody conflict started by renegade army formations led by idealistic military commanders who have had enough of the insanity. The NK armed forces are split between pro- and anti-Kim Suk Fuk factions leading to a protracted conflict with destabilization of nuclear and biological weapons stocks.

Megadeath count: Into the millions depending on who control NK's WOMD, and how they are deployed.

It will be interesting to see what action China and the U.S. take when it all goes down.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:06 am to
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The northern side of the Korean peninsula is well known for its rocky terrain with 85% of the country composed of mountains. It hosts sizeable deposits of more than 200 different minerals, of which deposits of coal, iron ore, magnesite, gold ore, zinc ore, copper ore, limestone, molybdenum, and graphite are the largest and have the potential for the development of large-scale mines. After China, North Korea's magnesite reserves are the second largest in the world, and its tungsten deposits are almost the sixth-largest in the world. Still the value of all these resources pales in comparison to prospects which promise the exploration and export of rare earth metals.

Rare earth metals are a group of 17 elements which are found in the earth's crust. They are essential in the manufacture of high-tech products and in green technologies, such as wind turbines, solar panels or hybrid cars. Known as "the vitamins of high-tech industries," REMs are minerals necessary for making everything that we use on a daily basis, like smartphones, LCDs, and notebook computers. Some Rare earth metals, such as cerium and neodymium, are crucial elements in semiconductors, cars, computers and other advanced technological areas. Other types of REMs can be used to build tanks and airplanes, missiles and lasers.

South Korea estimates the total value of the North's mineral deposits at more than $6 trillion USD. Not surprisingly, despite high political and security tensions Seoul is showing a growing interest in developing REMs together with Pyongyang. In 2011, after receiving permission from the Ministry of Unification, officials from the Korea Resources Corp visited North Korea twice to study the condition of a graphite mine. Together with their counterparts from the DPRK's National Economic Cooperation Federation they had working-level talks at the Kaesong Industrial Complex on jointly digging up REMs in North Korea. An analysis of samples obtained in North Korea showed that the type of rare earth metals could be useful for manufacturing LCD panels and optical lenses.

The joint report also revealed that there are large deposits of high-grade REMs in the western and eastern parts of North Korea, where prospecting work and mining have already begun. It also reported that a number of the rare earth elements are being studied in scientific institutes, while some of the research findings have already been introduced in economic sectors. The North built a REM reprocessing plant in Hamhung in the 1990s but has been unable to put the plant into full operation due to power and supply bottlenecks.



This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 10:08 am
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9062 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:13 am to
Its a damn shame really. Those resources could provide for a thriving economy.
Posted by Boomtown
Member since Jan 2014
1986 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:13 am to
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Corkfather

Your gasbagging in this thread is hilarious but then you say this
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if NK had China and/or Russia's support they could take the SK forces.

How little do you know about their relationship? The only reason China "supports" NK is because they don't want a massive influx of refugees. This is also why SKorea doesn't stroke the fires. NK refugees find it nearly impossible to assimilate into South Korean or Chinese culture.

Being an economic ally does not equal being an ally that you will help defend with your troops. You think Russia wants North Korea to have a nuclear weapon? Despite all the rhetoric between Putin and Obama do you really believe Russia gains more economically from North Korea than they do from the US? Oh yeah, China really wants to get into a war that might drag the US in, it's not like China and the US are economic partners or anything
Posted by beaver
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:15 am to
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^This. But I don't think China would allow it to happen even without U. S. help, reason being is that NK is a buffer zone and China doesn't want SK/US allys on its border.


On top of this, reunification would be a total financial disaster. the SK's are against it. The re-education of citizens, cost of modernizing the north, etc would be outrageous

Reunification is not an option at the moment
Posted by Bluefin
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Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:19 am to
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Oh yeah, China really wants to get into a war that might drag the US in, it's not like China and the US are economic partners or anything

This. A conflict between SK and NK would mean terrible strain between the US and Chinese trade. Despite China owning an overwhelming amount of American bonds, their economy is driven by American import. It is a "we need them" and "they need us" relationship.

China maintains their "alliance" with NK solely to prevent such a conflict from occurring. Xi Jinping is usually the first to condemn NK threats of war.
Posted by cyogi
Member since Feb 2009
5145 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:21 am to
This about sums up the state of Korea (Korea at night):

Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:26 am to
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I find the whole N. Korea thing fascinating that a people has been kept so oppressed and in the dark about how the world has changed in the last 50 years. When those people truly get a glimpse of how time has passed them by they'll drag that pudgy bastard down the street and take care of him themselves, but that's going to take time and information.


That is kind of what is happening now. As more information and goods from the outside world slips into NK, the people are becoming more aware and intolerant.

Plus, Kim Jong Un isn't quite as revered as his father and grandfather. That's probably why we've been hearing about so many purges and the expansion of the labor camps.

Hell, you can see video online of citizens talking back to soldiers, disobeying their commands, and openly defying laws with no repercussions.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68474 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:30 am to
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I'd see unification happening before liberation, and by unification I mean the North retaking the South

This will never happen in anyone's lifetime.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 10:34 am to
China is the reason no one fricks with them.


China is about done with being their friend. Its approaching a breaking point.


Once China doesn't protect them, its all over. They will collapse in a few days if a real world power pressed them. They are hilariously archaic when it comes to their military. We could beat them in a couple days with drones and well placed air force assaults.


ETA:

They would be a true "cut the head off a snake and the rest dies" situation. Take out the leadership and drop cheeseburgers on the rest of the country with American flags popping out of them and it'd be over
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 10:38 am
Posted by Placebeaux
Bobby Fischer Fan Club President
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:03 am to
I did not know that.
Posted by GeorgiaTide
Georgia
Member since Aug 2012
673 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:36 am to
NK will be liberated when a majority of the population truly realizes how bad off they are compared to the rest of the world and that they fought a civil war to basically set back the country 50 years. It's only a matter of time before the people figure out that their beloved government is only interested in oppressing them just because they can.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19325 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:42 am to
The people have trouble realizing that because there is no outside information available.

North Korea's BS is affecting outsiders too. For example, commercial airliners have to fly completely around the country because they cannot enter NK's airspace.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
16036 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:43 am to
Ive always wondered why pieces of shite like Kim Jong Il arent taken out by a "random" sniper? One bullet could literally change the future for that country. If we could guarantee that the sniper would remain anonymous, why wouldnt we try? We definitely have the capability so that's not even a question. Is it for fear of retaliation to our own President?
Posted by WNCTiger
Member since Aug 2006
2883 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:46 am to
Who, other than the citizens of NK or its neighbors, should rightly give a frick?

I certainly don't.

Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:47 am to
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Ive always wondered why pieces of shite like Kim Jong Il arent taken out by a "random" sniper? One bullet could literally change the future for that country. If we could guarantee that the sniper would remain anonymous, why wouldnt we try? We definitely have the capability so that's not even a question. Is it for fear of retaliation to our own President?



Ditto.

We could take him out EASILY. I assume that plan is already there if we have to take it. The more China gets sick of them, the more a war becomes a possibility. I also assume it would be impossible to keep this anonymous if it happened and the backlash wouldn't be good internationally.

However, those people do declare war on us like once a week these days.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68474 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:48 am to
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Ive always wondered why pieces of shite like Kim Jong Il arent taken out by a "random" sniper? One bullet could literally change the future for that country. If we could guarantee that the sniper would remain anonymous, why wouldnt we try? We definitely have the capability so that's not even a question. Is it for fear of retaliation to our own President?

Here's why that won't happen: whoever breaks NK owns it and no one wants to own NK, not even SK.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 7/16/14 at 11:49 am to
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This shite is straight out of a comic book


this is what scares me more...people have no appreciation or respect for how shortly removed they are from Stalin, Hitler, Mao, kim il sung, and a host of other cult of personalities

North Korea isn't out of a comic book, they're straight out of the 20th Century. You think it's straight out of a comic book, but it can become your reality easily and expeditiously
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