- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Why the broken windows theory of policing always works
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
a. This isn't really an example of Broken Windows policing
WTF? LINK
quote:
What is Broken Windows Policing? The broken windows model of policing was first described in 1982 in a seminal article by Wilson and Kelling. Briefly, the model focuses on the importance of disorder (e.g., broken windows) in generating and sustaining more serious crime. Disorder is not directly linked to serious crime; instead, disorder leads to increased fear and withdrawal from residents, which then allows more serious crime to move in because of decreased levels of informal social control.
Cops saw a general disorder crime. They intervened. In the process of investigating this conduct, they discovered additional criminal conduct that would have otherwise gone undiscovered. This included a convicted felon in possession of illegal substances that included the very deadly street fentanyl.
Seems textbook broken window policing to me. Why am I wrong?
quote:
b. If you're willing to give up your rights, cool. Some people value them more highly than you do.
Wtf? What rights were given up in this example?
2
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:51 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:
Wtf? What rights were given up in this example?
In this case, none. But that doesn't mean I want police searching my car because my inspection sticker was expired.
Police absolutely have too much free rein when it comes to 4th amendment stuff. "I smell weed/alcohol," "If you won't let me search we'll wait for the K9," all that shite. And all it takes is an overzealous dickhead with a high school diploma to ruin your day because you've got 20% tint on your windows.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
If you're willing to give up your rights, cool. Some people value them more highly than you do.
What rights did he give up when he was pulled over for front window tint?
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:54 pm to Ingeniero
quote:
Police absolutely have too much free rein when it comes to 4th amendment stuff. "I smell weed/alcohol,"
How many 4th amendment cases have you briefed
Be honest now
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:54 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:
Cops saw a general disorder crime.
No the cops saw a bullshite crime that shouldn't exist.
Has nothing to do with disorder of an area, which is what BWT is about. Tinted windows have nothing to do with BWT. They're a bullshite traffic charge the state abuses to erode the rights of citizens.
quote:
Seems textbook broken window policing to me. Why am I wrong?
You think tinted windows on an individual car denotes general disorder in some way? How?
quote:
Wtf? What rights were given up in this example?
Multiple 4th Amendment violations (if I was the ruler of the US) and the use of authoritarian and illegal laws (again, if I were ruler).
Other than the tinted windows, LEO have abused "smelled marijuana" so much to violate citizens' rights across the country that it is now institutional and it should be considered a de facto 4A violation at this point.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:56 pm to Proximo
quote:
What rights did he give up when he was pulled over for front window tint?
LEO shouldn't be able to pull him over for that.
Our 4A jurisprudence gave way to authoritarianism a long time ago, especially when it involves cars.
This thread shows that there is still a sizeable portion of this country that would rather lick boots than promote the defense of their rights.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:57 pm to Old Money
quote:
I think most peoples issue is being given a fix it ticket for window tint when you’re otherwise a well adjusted law abiding citizen.
It's this....leave me the F alone.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 6:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
Nissan with dark tint? Yeah I could’ve told you that person was guilty just from that.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 6:04 pm to VADawg
quote:
it's not a black thing.
In Chalmette? yeah it is.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 6:06 pm to VADawg
quote:
Broken windows and stop and frisk are how Giuliani cleaned up NYC.
This is not true.
It's what we thought worked in the moment, but, in the moment we didn't realize this was happening EVERYWHERE in the US at roughly the same rate.
Broken Windows? Stop and Frisk? Didn't matter if your city had these policies. Crime still fell.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 6:08 pm to LSUFanHouston
Great, if you’re a fan of profiling Black motorists while leaving white motorists alone.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 6:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
I'm fine with profiling based on window tint.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:15 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
quote:one crime at a time, homie
Moral: If you're riding dirty, make sure all your shite is fixed.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:19 pm to Mike the Tiger 1999
quote:
one crime at a time, homie
I used to give talks to frats locally and I would always end with "don't commit a crime while you're committing a crime"
I stole that from a standup routine, IIRC
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:24 pm to PrecedentedTimes
quote:
PrecedentedTimes
Speaking of windows, how much time per day do you spend licking them?
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:25 pm to dakarx
You sir are correct. Another example, front and rear license plates. LA does not have front / rear plates. You can still drive in states (Texas) that require both plates.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:41 pm to PrecedentedTimes
quote:
I get what you’re saying but this is windshield tint not window tint.
Without knowing any facts of this case but knowing "journalists" are as lazy as frick these days, I think its more likely "front windshield" is actually the side front windows as opposed to back side windows.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:45 pm to Basura Blanco
quote:
Without knowing any facts of this case but knowing "journalists" are as lazy as frick these days, I think its more likely "front windshield" is actually the side front windows as opposed to back side windows.
Posted by SBSO on their Fb page, nowhere else that I could find
Posted on 11/2/22 at 8:55 pm to Ingeniero
quote:
In this case, none. But that doesn't mean I want police searching my car because my inspection sticker was expired.
You’re letting the facts confuse you or you’re just ignoring them. They smelled an illegal substance. They found exactly what they smelled.
quote:
"If you won't let me search we'll wait for the K9," all that shite. And all it takes is an overzealous dickhead with a high school diploma to ruin your day because you've got 20% tint on your windows.
This is exactly why if you gotta have that illegal tint, don’t stash easy to smell illegal substances in the fricking car.
Or if you gotta stash illegal substances in your car, don’t put illegal tint on your fricking windows.
How are these things not completely predictable? Are we just surrounded by dumbasses? Being a dumbass can be costly.
One of the most common things cops say to each other (and dumbasses) is that, “If it wasn’t for dumbasses, I would be out of a job.”
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
No the cops saw a bullshite crime that shouldn't exist.
Irrelevant. Blame your lawmakers for creating bullshite crimes. Heck, blame them for not overturning bullshite crimes created by prior legislators.
But blaming cops for doing their goddamn job is simply hardcore stupid to the bone.
Aim better. You’re a terrible marksman.
quote:
You think tinted windows on an individual car denotes general disorder in some way? How?
Lawmakers create laws that become the basis for orderly conduct. It may come as a surprise to you , but breaking the law is a crime. Committing crimes is a very disorderly way to conduct yourself in public.
I hope that helps.
quote:
and illegal laws
You know damn well a law is not illegal until an appeals court says it is. Until then, it’s only your opinion.
Page 4 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News