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re: Why scientists are so worried about this glacier
Posted on 1/15/22 at 1:57 am to hikingfan
Posted on 1/15/22 at 1:57 am to hikingfan
I live a bit over 100 feet up in florida, on the northern part of what they call the lake wales ridge. All this sand didn't get to the middle of the state by any man-made efforts. But i welcome man-made efforts to get me closer to the gulf and atlantic.
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 2:22 am to WaWaWeeWa
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I don’t see any democrats worked up about that.
It's weird that you've neither seen nor heard about any democrats worked up about covid...
Posted on 1/15/22 at 3:01 am to biohzrd
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First off. Ice floats, secondly it will gradually melt off, the atmosphere will suck it in, and in the end will be a nothin burger.
Fear mongering by the media like always..
First, I think at worst it is just a harbinger as I can not make the math work to raise sea level by 35cm.
However, the discussion of the density of ice is a red herring in this case. The ice shelf is not floating ice it is pinned to a seamount so if it calves it will have the same effect on the sea level as the same volume of ice on land. Think of a sheet of ice suspended over a cookie sheet by the edges of the sheet. Ice floating in the cookie sheet when melted would not raise the level but ice melting that was suspended above it will.
As for the atmosphere sucking it up what principle do you suggest is as work that will allow the atmosphere to hold more water than usual? It will remain part of the hydrological cycle and this would be water that has not been part of the hydrological cycle since it froze.
To the thread in general:
I have been hearing doomsday predictions from science and Revelation ends days pronouncements all my life. All have thus far proven inaccurate but both groups tell me we are ever closer every day. That doesn't mean they are not worth watching and considering with an open mind.
As far as manmade climate change goes I am not so thick as to think man can not and has not impacted climate. The magnitude of that portion of change is fully up for debate.
Of the matter of the usage of fossil fuels, I think one has to be willfully ignorant to suggest their use hasn't been a net negative for the environment, though hugely positive for the day to day lives of humans. I think it is logical and natural for use to move away from them as a source of energy and also work on replacing them as a vital part of our everyday lives. The latter will likely take much more time but I think both are worthy goals.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 4:56 am to Btrtigerfan
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That's a subjective as a journalist these days.
lol wut
Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:45 am to hikingfan
So we should’ve at least seen an inch of ocean rise by now, no?
Climate change advocates only believe in the science at high tide
Climate change advocates only believe in the science at high tide
Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:01 am to hikingfan
There are always a lot of interesting posts here when it comes to climate change. It’s quite a study in how tribalism and loyalty to a political party affects one’s ability to think critically about science and the reality happening around them. Although that phenomenon is certainly true beyond science as we’ve seen.
Nevertheless, whether you believe the world is warming is somewhat irrelevant at this point. We are all paying for it, and more so in the future. Not only for things like higher insurance premiums, food, housing and fuel, but more intangibles like migrants fleeing poorer countries who can’t handle disasters as well as us (for now). The list is long and climate disasters aren’t the only cause, but a growing contributor to be sure.
Nevertheless, whether you believe the world is warming is somewhat irrelevant at this point. We are all paying for it, and more so in the future. Not only for things like higher insurance premiums, food, housing and fuel, but more intangibles like migrants fleeing poorer countries who can’t handle disasters as well as us (for now). The list is long and climate disasters aren’t the only cause, but a growing contributor to be sure.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:04 am to hikingfan
This is very interesting and a catostrophe in the making. Not sure why people make fun of climate change and the threat of flooding.
About 6 months ago I had a glass of tea packed with ice and the ice was sticking up above the top of my glass. I had stuff to do in the garage and left the glass of tea sitting on the kitchen counter. When I came back into the house an hour later I stepped into an inch of water in the house. Looked at tea glass and the ice had melted. Devastating I tell you.
People can laugh but this ice melting stuff is serious.
About 6 months ago I had a glass of tea packed with ice and the ice was sticking up above the top of my glass. I had stuff to do in the garage and left the glass of tea sitting on the kitchen counter. When I came back into the house an hour later I stepped into an inch of water in the house. Looked at tea glass and the ice had melted. Devastating I tell you.
People can laugh but this ice melting stuff is serious.
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 7:09 am
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:22 am to cwil177
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Huh, the level of the water rises.
Congrats, you played yourself.
Found the dumbest poster in the thread so far.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:02 am to Tvilletiger
Fine. How about The Hampton’s and Miami? Are all the northeast Liberals selling those properties because of rising oceans?
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This is how you know the article is bull shite. They've been collapsing for millions of years.
No, bro. How we found it 150 years ago it how it's supposed to be. Any more or less ice is because of us.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:14 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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No, bro. How we found it 150 years ago it how it's supposed to be. Any more or less ice is because of us.
Yep, Glaciers have never retreated in the history of mankind.
This one is overhyped, like most warming paranoia.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
But how is this going to affect crawfish prices?
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:30 am to Obtuse1
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Of the matter of the usage of fossil fuels, I think one has to be willfully ignorant to suggest their use hasn't been a net negative for the environment,
This isn’t as easy of a calculation as you think
It’s not like if we didn’t have fossil fuels we wouldn’t use anything for energy. There probably be no trees left on this continent because we would have burned them all for heating and cooking applications. And wood burning is actually a much worse greenhouse gas producer. This is why the best thing we could do is get the poor countries to start using more fossil fuels.
We have added trees the area of Alaska and Montana combined in the last couple decades because we have other sources of fuel.
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 9:33 am
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:35 am to Btrtigerfan
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The Earth has cyclic weather patterns. Don't fall for the arrogant arguments that humans could change it
Why not? It wouldn't be the first time terrestrial organisms affected atmospheric composition.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:37 am to TejasHorn
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Nevertheless, whether you believe the world is warming is somewhat irrelevant at this point. We are all paying for it, and more so in the future. Not only for things like higher insurance premiums, food, housing and fuel, but more intangibles like migrants fleeing poorer countries who can’t handle disasters as well as us (for now). The list is long and climate disasters aren’t the only cause, but a growing contributor to be sure.
You don’t know shite.
Disasters aren’t worse. People are just expanding into areas that are historically disaster prone. All of these “disasters are worse” calculations are based on monetary damage. Well guess what, the price of things goes up over time and people move into areas they shouldn’t. That leads to more costly disasters but doesn’t necessarily mean the disaster is worse.
Case in point, look at all the flooding in BR. Over the past 50 years all the development has caused those flooding issues. They aren’t developing the area properly to allow drainage and they are building subdivisions in natural flood zones.
Now the next time there is a devastating flood you will say “look the natural disasters are worse”
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:41 am to TejasHorn
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Not only for things like higher insurance premiums, food, housing and fuel, but more intangibles like migrants fleeing poorer countries who can’t handle disasters as well as us (for now).
I believe we are experiencing climate change, but your doomsday drama stuff is the reason many people are turned off from the message. People get tired of predictions that don't pan out.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:11 am to hikingfan
Worry and Fear is so unbelievably this generation. We even drop them along the way because we have so many of them to keep up with.
Remember murder hornets? Yeah, it’s still a very real thing. We’re just not worried about them anymore, but given enough attention by the media and people will start losing their shite with fear and trembling. Guaranteed.
We are all just so easily controlled with fear.
Remember murder hornets? Yeah, it’s still a very real thing. We’re just not worried about them anymore, but given enough attention by the media and people will start losing their shite with fear and trembling. Guaranteed.
We are all just so easily controlled with fear.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 11:07 am to MikeD
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Volcanoes - has there been a significant global eruption in the last 50 years that coincide with the significant uptick in atmospheric CO2?
quote:Pretty good timing though it's not what you were referring to.
An undersea volcano erupted near the Pacific nation of Tonga on Saturday, prompting a tsunami advisory for California, Hawaii and Alaska along with the rest of the U.S. Pacific coast.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 11:09 am to Mike da Tigah
The climate will change. It has for at least 4 billion years. There is nothing anyone can/will do that will change that. Slow it down, maybe, and that’s a big maybe. Destroying the quality of life for hundreds of millions of people is not an acceptable trade off for such little gain.
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 11:10 am
Posted on 1/15/22 at 11:09 am to TejasHorn
quote:They aren't fleeing poorer countries because of climate change, they're fleeing because they are tired of shitholes.
migrants fleeing poorer countries who can’t handle disasters as well as us (for now). The list is long and climate disasters aren’t the only cause, but a growing contributor to be sure
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