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re: "Why our schools are failing" AL.com opinion

Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:31 am to
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:31 am to
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Most people that choose education major do it bc there is nothing else they are interested in doing.

Totally nailed the some 100's of thousands of people in the Education system. None were interested in doing anything else and wanted summers off.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:38 am to
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Parental involvement

Anything else is just a Blantant disregard for the problem

People like to think education can be fixed. It doesn't need fixing. In fact, most kids are doing quite well.



Exactly. I’m sick of hearing the lie that it’s “poverty”. My grandmother grew up with 12 bothers and sisters and walked to school, usually barefoot like almost all he other kids. She still somehow managed to at least graduate high school as did all her other siblings. After the war three of them went on to college and all of them had successful lives and were working productive members of society. One even retired as an executive with TVA after working there as an engineer for like 40 years.

And the type of poor they grew up in isn’t like what we think of today. They grew up in rural north Alabama in the 20s and 30s during the Great Depression.

So it’s not poverty that’s the problem. It’s parents.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:46 am to
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So it’s not poverty that’s the problem. It’s parents.


I imagine they're in poverty with children because of poor decisions.

Since kids learn from parents, many of these children are doomed. It wasn't always this way, folks were more motivated to improve their lot in life. I honestly believe we have a permenant class of people who will never escape currently. Drugs, prison, culture...
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:51 am to
I'm shocked that the failure of the family unit is to blame.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:52 am to
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It’s that we as a society need to turn our eyes toward the systemic iniquity that creates poverty, and the systems that we put in place that perpetuate the cycle of poverty.


Please give examples.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:08 am to
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It lies in the homes and because of poverty. 


The wording in this line doesn't tell the whole truth IMO.

Poverty itself doesn't make shitty parents. There are plenty of great parents who live in poverty, love their children, and do everything in their power to elevate them. Many immigrants are a good example.

It's certain cultures that have kids for the wrong reasons and/or don't use protection and have kids they don't want, that produce these failing children. These children that never had a chance since day one. That culture needs to change more than anything.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:14 am to
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And the type of poor they grew up in isn’t like what we think of today. They grew up in rural north Alabama in the 20s and 30s during the Great Depression.


It was true, crushing poverty. And it was everywhere. People literally starved. When kids dropped out of school, which was frequently, it was to go to work.

My grandparents raised 8 kids through the depression and WWII in a tiny four room shack on the single salary of a textile worker. In a single generation, five of those kids became solidly upper middle class and the other three are quite wealthy. That's a 100% success rate on emerging from poverty.

The formula was simple. Their parents gave a damn about education. All of them went to school. None of them had children as teenagers or outside of a two parent household. All of them maintained full time employment throughout their lives, even if the jobs, at times, were menial.

The point is, there is no systemic oppression of poor people today. In fact, they have EVERY advantage over someone who was poor just sixty or seventy years ago. Homes with plumbing, electricity, almost always with air conditioning, monthly checks, food stipends, health insurance (at least for children, but also for adults in some states) cars, cellular phones with access to every piece of information in the world, and the list of advantages just goes on and on.

The problem is they just don't give a shite. Black, white, Hispanic is meaningless in the poverty cycle, because they all follow the same pattern. They couldn't care less if their kids go to school. They expect them to have babies as teenagers and usually don't expect that the father will be involved (this stat is so high in poor black communities, that there probably can NEVER be an economic recovery). The idea of full time employment is not a consideration by most of the truly poor.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:18 am to
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I'm shocked that the failure of the family unit is to blame.


Yet people will go to the grave trying desperately to blame the system, not individuals.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:18 am to
Poverty is an issue, but not giving a frick is a bigger issue. I went to school with a lot of poor kids of all races. They may not have had the nicest clothes, but they were clean and there on time. They didn't all become CEO's, but most have families and gainful employment, and a few have exceeded what anyone would have expected.

I have relatives involved in the school system now, and the "culture" is completely different now. The poor, but well behaved child who tries to better his station in life is the exception. It used to be the rule.
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
6932 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:18 am to
Its amazing that families are in decline in an era where they're treated as the enemy of the state, where illegitimacy has exploded at the teat of governmental benevolence, and where the moral and religious institutions of the society have been actively undermined for 40 years.

Its almost like it was foreseeable to anyone with eyes.
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
Member since Oct 2006
4856 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:19 am to
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On another note, I do believe that the definition of "failing school" differs among socioeconomic classes. When my wife and I look for schools for our kids, we only consider those that have a strong history of sending students to the top state universities while providing a potential path to attend nationally recognized universities (Ivies, Public Ivies).

Some suburban schools are considered good schools by state metrics, but for me, they aren't good enough to provide the future I envision for my kids.

There are some people who simply look for schools with a decent graduation rate because the high school diploma - no matter where - is the primary goal.


So........parents. Not that BS you posted prior to this.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:23 am to
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Poverty is an issue, but not giving a frick is a bigger issue


Not giving a frick definitely leads to poverty
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260630 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:25 am to
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Its almost like it was foreseeable to anyone with eyes.


Like it was planned by cultural marxists. Create a permenant underclass
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
21598 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:36 am to
It ain't poverty. It's culture.

Pearls before swine.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
65876 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:38 am to
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The greatest reason for school failures doesn't lie in the schools. It lies in the homes and because of poverty. The Birmingham Business Journal recently published a study sponsored by UAB which shows this clearly. There is a direct correlation between a school's grade and absenteeism.


No frickin shite
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
65876 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:41 am to
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It's because the white flight schools get all the funding. If we saw equity in dollars, we would see equal results. Period.





Just in the Houston area.....HISD spends way more per kid than district in the burbs. Yet HISD sucks as compared to places like Cypress, Katy, Woodlands, etc. Even more money down the drain won't fix HISD.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 10:44 am
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53809 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:49 am to
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4. Districts changing curriculum every two years




This is the farthest thing from the solution, the most costly, and the easy way out that many districts and states choose.
Posted by Methuselah
On da Riva
Member since Jan 2005
23350 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:01 am to
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The problem is genetic, so yes, it does start at home, but that article is complete hogwash

Can you expound on this? I'm curious to hear your thinking on it.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
65876 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:07 am to
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Can you expound on this? I'm curious to hear your thinking on it.



My basic guess to his point it people that are poor are generally less intelligent. So when they have kids, due to genetics they in general will also tend to be dumb in comparison to parents that are intelligent.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:09 am to
I can only imagine the number of wasted resources. The Parish I'm in is currently changing the ELA/Math curriculum. I was bored one day so I googled the amount it cost for training and for a 3-day training they pay almost 8k. That does not include all of the materials the Parish will need in order to make sure all students have the material.
Now what the Parish will probably do is just tell the teacher to copy everything or figure it out as they go rather than giving the teachers all of the materials the curriculum calls for to be successful.
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