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re: Why is the job market so crappy right now?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:55 pm to LSU Grad 2021
Posted on 6/24/24 at 5:55 pm to LSU Grad 2021
There was a stolen election back in 2020 
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Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:01 pm to LSU Grad 2021
Sales , accounting , engineering and all trade jobs are in demand.
The is issue w/ tech is you programed Ai to take your job and you can outsource your job to India and pay someone 1 a quarter of what they would pay an American.
The is issue w/ tech is you programed Ai to take your job and you can outsource your job to India and pay someone 1 a quarter of what they would pay an American.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:02 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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tech companies have been over hiring for the past few years
This
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:04 pm to LSU Grad 2021
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Why is the job market so crappy right now?
Democrats are in charge
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:06 pm to LSU Grad 2021
White collar jobs are slowly being siphoned off to automation.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:06 pm to LSU Grad 2021
If they have degrees tell them to move to Huntsville can get a job in less than a day.
Actually don't tell them... Enough people here already
Actually don't tell them... Enough people here already
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:11 pm to LSU Grad 2021
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suddenly can't find work
Tell them all they have to do is learn to code.
quote:I can't quite put my finger on it but it's like things started getting worse almost 4 years ago and nobody knows why. Weird, huh?
What the heck is going on in our country?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:12 pm to nicholastiger
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IT
I work in software development and it really irritates me when people call us IT.
IT fixes our printers, too.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:15 pm to LSU Grad 2021
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All my tech friends who have 5+ years of programming experience now suddenly can't find work.
Programmers lived a really good life from about 2014-2022 when they were in incredibly high demand and did wildly little work.
Money was so cheap that startups were popping up everywhere. Those startups needed programmers. Programmers did an amazing job obfuscating the fact that by and large they did very little work. This was an industry wide phenomenon. Tech companies boasted about their massive engineering dept even they were all working about 20% capacity. Read up about "rest and vest".
LINK
Elon honestly started the ball rolling. When he bought Twitter he had every engineer meet with him and show him the code they had written in the last 30 days. Most had little, some had none, very few had anything substantial. He cleaned house, and everyone realized they had the same problem internally.
With interest rates high companies stopped hiring while simultaneously dramatically shrinking their dev teams, leaving only the extremely productive ones. That's why the rest are at Starbuck's and Best Buy. At the same time, there is much less investment in new startups as interest rates are so high. So there aren't hot new companies for them to jump on board at.
Going forward, companies are being much more thoughtful about the size and output of their dev teams. They also can hire offshore guys with the same efficiency for 20% of the price. Unlike customer facing roles where they still need a US based face and voice, there is no consequence to the business to have 50 programmers in India ripping out code at all hours with a few senior people guiding their work.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:18 pm to WhiteMandingo
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Sales , accounting , engineering and all trade jobs are in demand. The is issue w/ tech is you programed Ai to take your job and you can outsource your job to India and pay someone 1 a quarter of what they would pay an American.
This is such a BS augment. I’m a software engineer by trade and I’ve been doing it 20 years. There is nothing I have seen so far from AI that can do the real grunt work of behind the scenes framework and services. We have a round table at work where we look at AI stuff (new and emerging) every week. It can be great for some simple stuff but if you try and write some semi complicated backend stuff it falls apart quickly. Right now it’s a parlor trick and new buzzword everyone knows. Anyone that has been in the industry for any length of time has seen things like this before with fancy buzzwords.
There are some things not helping right now. It used to be we had to compete with H1B but starting after Covid that all changed. We have a complete team in India now with about 20 engineers. Not only do they get paid less but they also don’t have to fool with H1B as they are all remote. It’s a double-edged sword for sure. Also lots of companies that have cut back have realized they had lots of lazy engineers. Really exceptional talented engineers are like 30% probably less. 50% are satisfactory and the bottom 20-30% are terrible and have to google everything. Always asking for help or taking extra time. Problem is that 20-30% is being weeded out and companies are realizing they were needed and can retain fewer people.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:18 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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I say this with absolutely zero data to support it, but it seems like tech companies have been over hiring for the past few years and the effects (downsizing, limited openings, or hiring freezes) are being felt now.
There's definitely some truth to that. I manage a team of developers, and I was just telling someone today that shite would run a whole lot better if I had 3 or 4 of them instead of 7.
We tore through a lot of the work that needed to be done last year, and now I'm scrambling to keep the team busy. We are still hiring software people, but it's mostly non-programmer types. The people who test, write tickets, manage, etc.- they've become the bottleneck, particularly at places that spent the last 10 years hiring brilliant "architect" types / offshore drones who do nothing but code.
So, that all sucks for coders, but the good news is that there's a shitload of work out there that can't be done by offshore coding drones or AI.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:19 pm to LSU Grad 2021
I had an ad for a programmer in Austin that we were able to take down after a couple days due to the amount of qualified applicants. Surprised me
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:25 pm to LSU Grad 2021
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All my tech friends who have 5+ years of programming experience now suddenly can't find work.
That’s because Guresh from Hyderabad will do 60% of the work that your friend does for 15% of the wages.
Sure most of Guresh’s work is horrible and he will just stop and twiddle his thumbs if he runs into any roadblock or encounters any ambiguity with instruction…but the employers haven’t figured out how inefficient that is yet.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:27 pm to Thundercles
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They also can hire offshore guys with the same efficiency for 20% of the price.
This is a myth that needs to die.
It's more like 50% of the price, and they require constant hand-holding. Even with the hand-holding, about 25% of their code just gets thrown away in my experience.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:29 pm to CharlesLSU
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Civil engineering is going pretty damn strong right now
Construction management in general is as hot as I've ever seen it.
If you can manage a large $100M project or bigger, you can pretty get a job anywhere.
Hell, half the PMs and Supers we've hired in the past 12 months were completely out of their league... they're still making 200k a year while going thru the firing process.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:36 pm to Porpus
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It's more like 50% of the price, and they require constant hand-holding. Even with the hand-holding, about 25% of their code just gets thrown away in my experience.
Damn when did they start getting raises?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:42 pm to Thundercles
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Damn when did they start getting raises?
The price of offshore development has gone steadily up for at least 30 years. That brilliant idea of "hurr, durr, we can get Indians to do this" was had by tens of thousands of lazy management types all at once, and supply and demand took it from there.
Those guys suck, BTW. Software development is hard, and it isn't very compatible with non-US cultures. Even Europeans are pretty shitty at it.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:42 pm to hashtag
Maybe they can "learn to plumb"
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:43 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
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This is such a BS augment. I’m a software engineer by trade and I’ve been doing it 20 years. There is nothing I have seen so far from AI that can do the real grunt work of behind the scenes framework and services. We have a round table at work where we look at AI stuff (new and emerging) every week. It can be great for some simple stuff but if you try and write some semi complicated backend stuff it falls apart quickly. Right now it’s a parlor trick and new buzzword everyone knows. Anyone that has been in the industry for any length of time has seen things like this before with fancy buzzwords.
AI cant and for the foreeseable future will never fully take the place of human programmers, but it certainly has reduced the demand.
Small coding jobs that would normally have been given to an entry level programmer can easily be done by a few prompts.
Wait till the new generation of LLMs come out, ChatGPT 5 and the like. You'll see demand take another huge drop.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 6:43 pm to LSU Grad 2021
so…don’t learn to code?
this is all very confusing
go be a plumber
this is all very confusing
go be a plumber
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