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re: Why is the it commonly accepted to stay at work late for appearances?
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:58 pm to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:58 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Maybe I didn't explain what I don't understand correctly.....Why is it commonly accepted? Who made it the norm that staying late=hard worker
The people who bill by the hour are who
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:58 pm to Bmath
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No actual complaints about quality of work or effort, just that it doesn't look like you want to be there if you are out the door right at five.
What if you had other obligations to tend to right after work(ex: you have to pick up your child from daycare or pick up a SO from their job, etc).
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:58 pm to LucasP
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In an office environment, 90% of your efforts are wasted on impractical bullshite for strictly appearance's sake.
The other 10% are wasted on trying to get into Debbie from Accounting's pants.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:58 pm to 13SaintTiger
I'm paid to stay until 5:00pm. I'm out the door at 5:00pm.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:59 pm to yellowfin
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I assume this is only for salary people?
Yea. I don't think this translates to hourly jobs as more hours=more $$
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:59 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Why is the it commonly accepted to stay at work late for appearances?
Those people are suckers!
I'm the boss and could give a shite how late my staff stays. Work your 40, be productive, then go home.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:00 pm to 13SaintTiger
Last internship I did I wasn't sure about this.
It was an easy 12-5 thing. I was on time every day to get there and I left right when I supposed to.
Sometimes I did think to myself, "does leaving here right at 5 make it look like I'm running out of the door and can't wait to get out of here?" So I can understand not wanting to make the impression of it looking like you're doing the bare minimum, but I don't know. I show up on time and left when I was expected to.
It was an easy 12-5 thing. I was on time every day to get there and I left right when I supposed to.
Sometimes I did think to myself, "does leaving here right at 5 make it look like I'm running out of the door and can't wait to get out of here?" So I can understand not wanting to make the impression of it looking like you're doing the bare minimum, but I don't know. I show up on time and left when I was expected to.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:00 pm to 13SaintTiger
Never leave before your boss does.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:00 pm to 13SaintTiger
It is a vestige of human society that goes back to pre-history when all people (workers) were owned as property by their overlord.
It may even be encodified in your DNA.
It is enlightening (but sad in a way) that this hive mentality has not been flushed out of our behaviors at this point in time.
It may even be encodified in your DNA.
It is enlightening (but sad in a way) that this hive mentality has not been flushed out of our behaviors at this point in time.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:00 pm to 13SaintTiger
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but doesn't like to be the first one out the door so he stays late
I think they do this because they aren't confident enough to let their work speak for itself
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:01 pm to 13SaintTiger
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George Costanza’s Ten Commandments for “Working Hard”
1. Never walk without a document in your hands: People with documents in their hands look like hardworking employees heading for important meetings. People with nothing in their hands look like they’re heading for the cafeteria. People with a newspaper in their hand look like they’re heading for the toilet. Above all, make sure you carry loads of stuff home with you at night, thus generating the false impression that you work longer hours than you do.
2. Use computers to look busy: Any time you use a computer, it looks like “work” to the casual observer. You can send and receive personal e-mail, chat and generally have a blast without doing anything remotely related to work. These aren’t exactly the societal benefits that the proponents of the computer revolution would like to talk about but they’re not bad either. When you get caught by your boss–and you *will* get caught–your best defense is to claim you’re teaching yourself to use new software, thus saving valuable training dollars.
3. Messy desk: Top management can get away with a clean desk. For the rest of us, it looks like we’re not working hard enough. Build huge piles of documents around your workspace. To the observer, last year’s work looks the same as today’s work; it’s volume that counts. Pile them high and wide. If you know somebody is coming to your cubicle, bury the document you’ll need halfway down in an existing stack and rummage for it when he/she arrives.
4. Voice Mail: Never answer your phone if you have voice mail. People don’t call you just because they want to give you something for nothing–they call because they want YOU to do work for THEM. That’s no way to live. Screen all your calls through voice mail. If somebody leaves a voice mail message for you and it sounds like impending work, respond during lunch hour when you know they’re not there – it looks like you’re hardworking and conscientious even though you’re being a devious weasel.
5. Looking Impatient and Annoyed: According to George Costanza, one should also always try to look impatient and annoyed to give your bosses the impression that you are always busy.
6. Leave the office late: Always leave the office late, especially when the boss is still around. You could read magazines and storybooks that you always wanted to read but have no time until late before leaving. Make sure you walk past the boss’ room on your way out. Send important emails at unearthly hours (e.g. 9:35pm, 7:05am, etc.) and during public holidays.
7. Creative Sighing for Effect: Sigh loudly when there are many people around, giving the impression that you are under extreme pressure.
8. Stacking Strategy: It is not enough to pile lots of documents on the table. Put lots of books on the floor etc. (thick computer manuals are the best).
9. Build Vocabulary: Read up on some computer magazines and pick out all the jargon and new products. Use the phrases freely when in conversation with bosses. Remember: They don’t have to understand what you say, but you sure sound impressive.
10. MOST IMPORTANT: DON’T email this to your boss by mistake!!!
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:01 pm to 13SaintTiger
yeah if I see an hourly person at the office after 5 I'm asking if it was approved
I leave when I'm finished with my work, sometimes I'm first and sometimes I'm last
I leave when I'm finished with my work, sometimes I'm first and sometimes I'm last
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:01 pm to 13SaintTiger
It's pretty simple concept...
If I see someone working long hours it seems like that person it pushing to finish project A so they can move onto project B and so on
instead of pushing project A till tomorrow and thus pushing project B further along
I don't care and nobody in my office really stays late unless they absolutely have to
I get here early because I like the quiet of the office in the morning and I don't want to wake my wife/kid up banging around the kitchen making breakfast/coffee
If I see someone working long hours it seems like that person it pushing to finish project A so they can move onto project B and so on
instead of pushing project A till tomorrow and thus pushing project B further along
I don't care and nobody in my office really stays late unless they absolutely have to
I get here early because I like the quiet of the office in the morning and I don't want to wake my wife/kid up banging around the kitchen making breakfast/coffee
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:02 pm to LeonPhelps
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Never leave before your boss does.
You can leave before your boss does as long as you check in, just my opinion and how I did things at my previous job.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:03 pm to 13SaintTiger
Assuming that I "leave work" when I walk out of the office is incorrect. My phone never stops ringing.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:05 pm to lsunurse
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What if you had other obligations to tend to right after work(
I actually explained to her that I only tried to leave right at 5 on gym days because of the after work rush.
I was salary, so the only expectation, on paper) was that I be there from 8-5. Now we charged billable hours to our clients, and it could potentially improve our bonus to put in more time. However, at the time I was only using 30 min of an hour lunch, so I didn't feel the need to work unnecessarily late too.
As I became more experienced and had more responsibilities, I regularly worked 20-30 min past five.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:05 pm to Tiger Hoods
I get to work at like 6:30 and will be leaving just about now. Miss all the traffic, still have daylight when I leave and am still able to run some weekday errands without all the businesses being closed.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:05 pm to yellowfin
Yeah the hospital is so much about cutting costs right now. If you clock out even just one minute after a certain time you have to give a reason why you clocked out late. Clock in too early and you have to do the same.
Ex: I work 7 to 7:30 ...I cannot clock in before 6:53 and am late at 7:01; if I clock out at the end of my shift after 7:37...gotta write that up.
Ex: I work 7 to 7:30 ...I cannot clock in before 6:53 and am late at 7:01; if I clock out at the end of my shift after 7:37...gotta write that up.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:06 pm to Salmon
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I'm normally the first person out out the door at 4 pm
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