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Why is it assumed that the laws of physics are constant...
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:12 am
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:12 am
...throughout the universe? Could we be wrong?
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:14 am to Tyga Woods
Because we are only able to work with what we know, which isn't much in the grand scheme of a continually expanding universe.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:15 am to Tyga Woods
Two words...Black Hole aka "Your Mom"
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:15 am to Tyga Woods
Something about an unstoppable force and an immovable object.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:21 am to Tyga Woods
Burden on proof is on the accuser.
Prove they aren't.
Prove they aren't.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:05 am to Tyga Woods
I don't believe we're wrong. We only know what we've discovered so far. Even in its simple form like force and motion. An object in motion will stay in motion until a force is acted upon it. That's a constant law that's proven everyday ya know.
Until something "mystical" or whatnot comes along and changes that then it is what it is.
Until something "mystical" or whatnot comes along and changes that then it is what it is.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:06 am to Tyga Woods
9.81m/s^2
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:08 am to TygerTyger
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Prove they aren't.
Can't prove a negative. That's not how it works.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:10 am to TygerTyger
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Burden on proof is on the accuser.
Prove they aren't.
Apparently you don't go to the poli board. That is not how it works any more.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:18 am to Tyga Woods
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throughout the universe?
Sometimes they are different in Hollywood.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:32 am to Tyga Woods
For many of the laws of physics as we understand them, one of the requirements is that they must operate the same everywhere and under all conditions for everything to make internal sense. They must operate the same whether you're here or there, whether you're stationary or moving, whether you're facing left or right, whether you're rotated head up or head down, etc. Otherwise, there are avenues in which they conservation laws of the universe can be broken, and the whole thing starts to unravel and become nonsense.
We can experimentally prove that all kinds of measured values must be conserved at all times in our spacetime and the laws we deduce for our spacetime must obey this conservation to be internally logically self-consistent. When we make predictions using the laws of the universe as we have deduced them to operate in our local spacetime and look out far into the cosmos, it generally behaves the way our predictions say it will behave. This is strong evidence that the rules here are the rules everywhere.
Now, this isn't to say there are things we just don't know. The marriage of the quantum and the classical (i.e. gravity with the other three forces) escapes us at this point. However, this is almost certainly due to a lack of knowledge and not the universe acting under different laws under different places.
This is also not to say that the universe can't operate under different rules from time to time. However, if those rules changes, they do so within a framework that says they follow the same rules of changing everywhere. For instance, ice behaves differently than water, but they're the same substance. However, the WAY that ice and water behave differently and how they go from one to the other is the same in my freezer, your freezer, on Titan, and so on and so forth.
We can experimentally prove that all kinds of measured values must be conserved at all times in our spacetime and the laws we deduce for our spacetime must obey this conservation to be internally logically self-consistent. When we make predictions using the laws of the universe as we have deduced them to operate in our local spacetime and look out far into the cosmos, it generally behaves the way our predictions say it will behave. This is strong evidence that the rules here are the rules everywhere.
Now, this isn't to say there are things we just don't know. The marriage of the quantum and the classical (i.e. gravity with the other three forces) escapes us at this point. However, this is almost certainly due to a lack of knowledge and not the universe acting under different laws under different places.
This is also not to say that the universe can't operate under different rules from time to time. However, if those rules changes, they do so within a framework that says they follow the same rules of changing everywhere. For instance, ice behaves differently than water, but they're the same substance. However, the WAY that ice and water behave differently and how they go from one to the other is the same in my freezer, your freezer, on Titan, and so on and so forth.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 11:57 am
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:32 am to Tyga Woods
Yes, but we invent fairy tales like dark matter and dark energy to make all the numbers consistent.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:34 am to Tyga Woods
The law of physics are continually benchmarked against observations out in the universe and continually proven correct. Now when you get to the subatomic level is when things start to get a little fishy
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:37 am to Tyga Woods
They are variable depending on size. Newtonian =/= Quantum
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:39 am to crazyLSUstudent
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The law of physics are continually benchmarked against observations out in the universe and continually proven correct. Now when you get to the subatomic level is when things start to get a little quarky
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:43 am to STLDawg
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Yes, but we invent fairy tales like dark matter and dark energy to make all the numbers consistent.
Dark matter and dark energy are not inventions, they're observations. Their effects are obervable and measurable. What they actually are, however, is beyond our detection at this time.
Regarding the OP's question, to assume is to make an arse out of u and me. Science operates on theory backed up by observation. So far, theories about the consistency of physical laws across our Universe are supported by repeatable observations and experiments.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:43 am to Rouge
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Now when you get to the subatomic level is when things start to get a little quarky
I see what you did there. Lol
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:44 am to beerJeep
That’s just a measure of gravity on Earth
Posted on 9/21/18 at 12:06 pm to Tyga Woods
Was watching an interview with one of the guys that was a lead on the Haldron particle collider. They had to develop a neural net just to measure and analyze the data they obtained and he helped with that as well I believe. One of the things he talked about was about how the physics of a universe are governed by what he called a cosmic number. Our cosmic number allows for matter to exist instead of everything just being a light and energy soup, but he talked about how it’s possible there are neighboring universes with different cosmic numbers and what those universes would look like. Could we even perceive or measure them if their ‘light’ is different than ours?
I’m probably not doing his idea justice but it was cool to listen to.
I’m probably not doing his idea justice but it was cool to listen to.
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