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re: Why is abortion such a huge deal?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:45 pm to Klark Kent
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:45 pm to Klark Kent
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just as you don't know that they will.
I'm not saying how they "will", I'm saying that, in order to be consistent, they would have to treat miscarriages like they would the death of any other person - born or not.
That generally requires an investigation.
"Welcome to my womb, Mr. Government. How you got here through my arse, I have no idea."
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:45 pm to grizzlylongcut
quote:It was. But now it's a whole new ballgame and will require a slew of government oversight.
The state is already pretty well opinionated on murder.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:47 pm to Palmetto98
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Why is abortion such a huge deal?
The most real answer to this question is this:
Liberals do not recognize the baby as a life. They don't recognize them as human. They do not believe a baby is alive and deserves rights. They believe they have jurisdiction over that baby's life until they're born, and some of them actually sincerely believe after they're born.
They claim it is a medical issue, and the only relevant thing is the woman's rights to taking another life inside of her because she's simply not responsible enough, financially, to handle the care for the baby.
So, ultimately, do you believe that babies have inalienable rights? To begin to know your true feelings on it, do you think you should be able to kill a baby in a mother's stomach at 9 months old? If not, then ask yourself why and start going backward from there on how many days alive makes sense to you.
If you believe in a hereafter, then you must recognize when God said a life is a life, and scripture is very clear on that issue.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:48 pm to SammyTiger
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If you believe life starts at conception, abortion is nothing more than murder
Listen. If you're Catholic you have zero to worry about. No contraception and Catholics do not have premarital relations.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:50 pm to Centinel
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Or those who think Roe was simply shite jurisprudence and needed to be struck down, while also being 100% pro choice.
i am well aware of your stance and we are not dissimilar. you have to agree we are not the norm though.
most people spouting off about state rights don't really give a shite about that.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:50 pm to Snipe
quote:We've had that for ages.
Should we really have to have a law that say don't kill babies?
The issue is that we now have to see how far states can stretch the meaning of "unreasonable search" and "probable cause".
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:51 pm to Sao
There are secular reasons to believe life starts at conceptions
It is a creation of a genetically unique cell that is capable of cellular respiration and growth.
There are definitions of life that cover that.
But philosophically is that “life” as far as sentience and a soul and all that jazz.
It is a creation of a genetically unique cell that is capable of cellular respiration and growth.
There are definitions of life that cover that.
But philosophically is that “life” as far as sentience and a soul and all that jazz.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:59 pm to statman34
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It is a division topic and is used to further the wedge between right and left in order to do the real bad stuff behind the scenes that destroy our country.
To put it more clearly, it's Marxism disguised as "reproductive rights".
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:01 pm to Palmetto98
It’s a big deal because people on both sides have reasons to make them act morally superior. They also won’t budge. Then again, in today’s climate, nobody wants to understand any differing viewpoints.
Oddly enough, this is one of the few hit button issues that truly doesn’t impact a large sector of the population. Gun rights, property rights, Soros DAs…all can impact anybody at a given time. Unless you and your partner go through an abortion, it won’t impact you.
Oddly enough, this is one of the few hit button issues that truly doesn’t impact a large sector of the population. Gun rights, property rights, Soros DAs…all can impact anybody at a given time. Unless you and your partner go through an abortion, it won’t impact you.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:02 pm to Palmetto98
quote:Because with most people, it's an all or nothing proposition. Until their girlfriend, wife, or kid gets pregnant, and they come to the quick realization that the birth would affect everyone involved very differently.
Why is abortion such a huge deal?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:07 pm to cubsfinger
So you agree child support should also begin at conception? All women should also be able to sue for back child support up until the moment of the conception? I feel that is only fair.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:21 pm to mindbreaker
quote:Agreed, that would be fair. Mama's got to eat to grow that baby.
So you agree child support should also begin at conception? All women should also be able to sue for back child support up until the moment of the conception? I feel that is only fair.
Additionally, failure to pay child support should be on par with attempted murder. This would cut down on one reason a woman might seek an abortion.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:24 pm to Korkstand
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Additionally, failure to pay child support should be on par with attempted murder. This would cut down on one reason a woman might seek an abortion.
Hmm to expand how should health insurance be forced to insure the child in the wound. Since it is now a life at conception it should also have full coverage from that point. Wrongful death suits for miscarriages should also be allowed I would think.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:26 pm to mindbreaker
Hell yea & I want life insurance on that fetus while we're at it.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:29 pm to Korkstand
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The issue is that we now have to see how far states can stretch the meaning of "unreasonable search" and "probable cause".
I mean There are places that advertise abortions… so if that’s a murder now it’s super reasonable and you have lots of probable cause to investigate them and their records.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:29 pm to shaquilleoatmeal
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Hell yea & I want life insurance on that fetus while we're at it.
Great point miscarriages should pay out millions of dollars to account for all the money that child may have made during it's lifetime.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:30 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:That's how it was, anyway. Now many more people will be impacted. Many thousands of couples will be impacted every year due to issues handling unneeded embryos in the IVF process. If they will even be legally allowed to do it, costs will no doubt increase. There is also now a wide open door for government involvement in miscarriages. And all of us will be impacted indirectly via increased burden on taxpayers due to the influx of unwanted children and accidental mothers who can no longer work due to the cost of child care.
Oddly enough, this is one of the few hit button issues that truly doesn’t impact a large sector of the population. Gun rights, property rights, Soros DAs…all can impact anybody at a given time. Unless you and your partner go through an abortion, it won’t impact you.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:32 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I was referring to miscarriages, and the inevitable rise in "convenient" ones.
I mean There are places that advertise abortions… so if that’s a murder now it’s super reasonable and you have lots of probable cause to investigate them and their records.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:32 pm to mindbreaker
But everyone is ok with enough fentanyl coming in to kill millions.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:32 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
so if that’s a murder now it’s super reasonable and you have lots of probable cause to investigate them and their records.
How do you feel about the constitution?
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