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re: Why doesn’t everyone sign a pre-nup?

Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by bulletprooftiger
Member since Aug 2006
2040 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:24 pm to
Sure. 50% of marriages fail, but not all marriages are created equal.

Some people get married because they get pregnant after being together casually. Those people should have pre-nups.

Some people get married because of short-term infatuation. Those people wish they had pre-nups.

Some 37 year-old dude with a lot of assets might get honey trapped by an OT-8 24-year-old. He should get a pre-nup.

Some people meet in rehab. Some people believe they are in relationships with people they only communicate with online. Pre-nup. Pre-nup

Some people get married because they have been together long enough to know each other's character, family, and priorities. If people in this category decide they want to go without a pre-nup, it is at least a well researched decision that is not based on national divorce rates.

Of course there are a lot of reasons people decide to get married and decide whether or not to get a pre-nup. One has to look objectively at their own situation and decide what is right for it.
Posted by bulletprooftiger
Member since Aug 2006
2040 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:28 pm to
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Passing a law this might be the best way to get the stigma removed. When someone complains about a prenup, just say it is required by state law.


There are state laws, in every state, about how assets are divided at the dissolution of a marriage. A pre-nup is a legal agreement between the couple to do something different than what is required by law.
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
2457 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:40 pm to
Every marriage should involve a pre-nup. Also, no man should be able to have his name on a birth certificate without a paternity test.
Posted by Zapps4Life
Houston
Member since May 2016
282 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:12 pm to
Any male with considerable assets /sans Trust/ should get a pre-nup, considering the courts have decided "it's only fair" to penalize the male. So many male acquaintances who have lost considerable assets, especially in blue states like Colorado. It is absolutely unfair/shameful what happens to the divorced male, even if the female is filing for divorce. Also - unrealistic child support payments to the point the ex-husband struggles paycheck to paycheck.

What makes me even sadder is the status of young males in this country. So much negativity toward them. So many of them truly feel they have no future - it's like the have been written off. Social media has destroyed the fabric of society. This is truly becoming a crisis if you are unaware of this...just look at the birth rate in the graph below and extrapolate the down line since 2020.

This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 2:16 pm
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15759 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:14 pm to
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There’s no way in hell I’m not signing one if I ever get married


I said the same thing. Then I met a woman who made way more money than me. Never mentioned it.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
10395 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:16 pm to
The majority of people getting married can't afford two independent lawyers to negotiate and draft one, and they aren't bringing the individual assets into the marriage for it to matter, anyway.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 2:21 pm
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
Member since Jan 2023
468 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:17 pm to
If you started dating your spouse at 19 when Taco Bell was a big splurge.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
10395 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:18 pm to
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Any male with considerable assets /sans Trust/ should get a pre-nup
Of course. But most don't have considerable assets.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71393 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:19 pm to
People think prenups are these magic documents that just work, when in reality so many are just empty pieces of paper.
Posted by Evil Little Thing
Member since Jul 2013
11226 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:23 pm to
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Then give the marrying public a framework on how to assign ownership/division of assets at time of divorce. And Presto! Divorce Lawyers lose their jobs!


I don’t think it works that easily without lawyers unless there are enforceable consequences to not following the framework you mentioned. A relative spent plenty on legal fees for his divorce with a very OT-approved prenup (high earner vs. SAHW, no kids). There was still a ton of back and forth with his ex believing she was entitled to more.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
vortex to the whirlpool of despair
Member since Jun 2020
41510 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

Waffle House really doesn't pay the bills.
we were married really young - before Waffle House
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
10395 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:29 pm to
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Passing a law this might be the best way to get the stigma removed. When someone complains about a prenup, just say it is required by state law.
Just adds another administrative cost to getting married, without actually adding any value for most married couples.
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Then give the marrying public a framework on how to assign ownership/division of assets at time of divorce. And Presto! Divorce Lawyers lose their jobs!
And they'll make up the money on unnecessary state-required prenups.

Yay! More government intervention!
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:32 pm to
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She’s only entitled to half of what you earn while married.


Including half of the appreciation of assets you brought into the marriage.

It's not as straightforward as you imply.
Posted by gorillaballin
uptown nola y'heard
Member since Dec 2007
550 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:37 pm to
I got my wife to sign one - I was 38 when we got married and entered with significant assets. Sounds like you are in a similar situation. The laws are not written in a manner that is fair to men so you get this done do you don't get screwed in the event of divorce. Look at it like buying insurance
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26207 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:39 pm to
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This question has bugged me for a while. Thoughts?

Are you just talking about opting out of the community property regime (in Louisiana)? If so, that is just a matter of trust between you and your spouse.



This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 2:44 pm
Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
14143 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:14 pm to
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I did not my first marriage because I was young and felt like it would be weird to ask that. I will next time no doubt but now have kids who I want to get my money so need them protected.


Ding, Ding.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11281 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

Passing a law this might be the best way to get the stigma removed. When someone complains about a prenup, just say it is required by state law. Then give the marrying public a framework on how to assign ownership/division of assets at time of divorce. And Presto! Divorce Lawyers lose their jobs!


Basic template to sign as is or edit, and you are set there, right? If you can’t handle that conversation, you likely are in the group that needs the document

As for the birth certificate- it’s wild men need to be demonized to ask for such an easy bar on such a massive commitment.
Posted by WAR TIGER
Death Valley
Member since Oct 2005
4055 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:58 pm to
My first marriage lasted 19 years. I am still paying for it.
Six years later, I am engaged to a younger woman. I have helped her in countless ways. But, I'm not giving up half of my stuff again.
It's a trap that makes people stay in bad marriages.
I think she and I will be awesome together.
But, a prenup is peace at mind on 2nd go round.
Posted by dinosaur
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
1091 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:59 pm to
When you have nothing when you marry, you don't worry about a pre-nup. If you marry later or in a second or later marriage, and you have assets, you want to avoid having separate property turn into community property, so you want a prenup to avoid having community property. Prenups tend to be litigated quite a bit in divorce cases.
Posted by Porpus
Covington, LA
Member since Aug 2022
1637 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:00 pm to
Some of y'all just care too damned much about money.

What even is marriage to you, OP? It's like joining a fraternity, where you develop this supposedly close bond, but it's also very easy to "run the numbers" and see how it compares to getting your own apartment?

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