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Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:35 am to TDTOM
Lawyer. Gets paid by the legth of the brief
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:36 am to rd280z
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I don't but people seem to believe that electricity is free or the market won't dictate its cost just like oil.
If progressives understood economics, they wouldn't be progressive.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:06 am to StTiger
Do you think there is anything separating Social Engineering Big Government Progressives and “Big Corporate”, or “Big Media”, for that matter?
The point is that the natural consumer demand (even whipped up as it is by Global Warming scare tactics) is not what is driving the push for EV’s. It’s not a market force, it’s a demand economy dictate by the elite.
I have no problem with electric cars. As stated before, if the price, durability, reliability, ease of refueling, range, and resale ability were on par with Internal Combustion Engines, then the performance and refuel costs would make them unbeatable.
Batteries just cannot be compared favorably to petroleum fuels for power storage, reliability, and portability.
Furthermore, even if we could wave a magic wand and convert all vehicles to EV’s, it would hardly make a dent in the total CO2 production.
The EV’s are titling at windmills if global warming is the animating principle.
The point is that the natural consumer demand (even whipped up as it is by Global Warming scare tactics) is not what is driving the push for EV’s. It’s not a market force, it’s a demand economy dictate by the elite.
I have no problem with electric cars. As stated before, if the price, durability, reliability, ease of refueling, range, and resale ability were on par with Internal Combustion Engines, then the performance and refuel costs would make them unbeatable.
Batteries just cannot be compared favorably to petroleum fuels for power storage, reliability, and portability.
Furthermore, even if we could wave a magic wand and convert all vehicles to EV’s, it would hardly make a dent in the total CO2 production.
The EV’s are titling at windmills if global warming is the animating principle.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:09 am to stinkdawg
quote:If you own a car that cost anywhere near around $30k, you can afford a Tesla.
No I haven't drove a Tesla. Because they are really expensive. By the time this technology gets down to us and we can afford i
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:10 am to AMS
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tesla cybtertruck range 500+miles, utility and convenience beats the piss out of ICE trucks similar to its size/weight
Come back when you have real world tests and results.
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itl probably be out next year maybe this year.
LOL, and there you have it.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:34 am to rd280z
quote:Do you believe the economics will play out better for an energy source with a finite supply which is heavily influenced by foreign nations and which we subsidize exploration for and which we expend military resources protecting global supplies and shipping and which is controlled by a relative handful of companies with the resources to process it...
people seem to believe that electricity is free or the market won't dictate its cost just like oil.
Or for a more naturally fundamental form of energy which can be produced in a multitude of ways and from a multitude of sources, some with unlimited supply?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:36 am to biohzrd
quote:Sure because you never ever see gas powered cars pulled over on the side of the road.
I loved watching the smaller model Tesla whip in and out of traffic on the interstate today on my way back from Cruising the Coast. We were in a group of vehicles all hauling arse back west fracturing a few traffic laws. I was impressed until he had to pull over to the side of the road, and we all passed on by.
Guess he lost his charge
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:36 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:"Patriots"
This is the thing that gets me with this board. EVs present an incredible opportunity for American domination of a rapidly growing industry. An industry that japan is wayyy behind in. And the Patriots of the OT hate them. Hilarious.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:47 am to shel311
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If you own a car that cost anywhere near around $30k, you can afford a Tesla.
so pretty much everyone considering the cost of new ICE vehicles.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:53 am to weagle99
I really just do not like filling up with gas. It's annoying and I always seem to have to when it is pouring down rain or something. I usually only go to Costco now as they keep the rift raft away. Lines lines lines.
I like the idea of coming home and plugging my car in.
Would like to have a Tesla in a few years.
I like the idea of coming home and plugging my car in.
Would like to have a Tesla in a few years.
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Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:58 am to stinkdawg
quote:A model T compared to riding horseback was a revolutionary occurrence
By the time this technology gets down to us and we can afford it, it will be like driving a model T.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:00 am to weagle99
Maintence cost is about 1/10th of the price of internal combustion. But we are still 5 years away from acceptable infrastructure to support it.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:01 am to Bulletproof Lover
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Maintence cost is about 1/10th of the price of internal combustion.
Curious about this. How did you come up with that?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:04 am to Schmelly
quote:Luckily for us, ICEs will not cease to exist tomorrow, so this scenario will never happen.
And when it can, how much more are they gonna charge for it cause they have us by the balls? If ICEs ceased to exist tomorrow, all these free charging stations would cost $20/minute
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:12 am to TDTOM
quote:It's not 1/10th, but it's close to half.quote:Curious about this. How did you come up with that?
Maintence cost is about 1/10th of the price of internal combustion.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:12 am to Korkstand
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Where's all this extra electricity going to come from?
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Do people really think this question hasn't been asked and answered a million times? Do the people asking this question even bother to research it a bit? More than 85% of EV charging happens at home at night. As luck would have it, that's when there is the least demand on the grid. That means pretty much every single car could be replaced with an EV and we wouldn't have to increase our generation capacity at all (we will just use more of the unused capacity at night).
It’s embarrassing that in your mind, you’ve answered his question. I don’t think even OweO could have come up with a more nonsensical answer.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:15 am to Hazelnut
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Also, if they are built well enough (like teslas), fully electric vehicles can last soooo much longer than a combustible engine.
So you’re telling me a Tesla is going to be more reliable and last longer than a Camry right now?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:16 am to Jimbeaux
quote:You sure it's not the combination of performance, low operating and maintenance costs, and convenience of charging at home?
The point is that the natural consumer demand (even whipped up as it is by Global Warming scare tactics) is not what is driving the push for EV’s. It’s not a market force, it’s a demand economy dictate by the elite.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 9:26 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Most think we don't have the capacity, and my response was that we do. So what do you think is the biggest concern in powering a fleet of EVs, then? Do you think we will have a problem increasing production by ~25% over the course of several decades? I doubt it.
It’s embarrassing that in your mind, you’ve answered his question. I don’t think even OweO could have come up with a more nonsensical answer.
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