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re: Why do people who have student loan debt feel like it should be forgiven?

Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:32 pm to
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I will say it's odd that you can shed certain debts in bankruptcy, but this isn't one of them.


That's because college is a luxury
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:34 pm to
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I will say it's odd that you can shed certain debts in bankruptcy, but this isn't one of them.



Because there is no collateral or assets involved? That's the reason the rates are higher than say a car or home loan.
Posted by Helo
Orlando
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:36 pm to
many would have been better off becoming welders.
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:40 pm to
Ukraine, dummy.
Posted by Luke
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:47 pm to
A fricking leech that cannot spell... Good grief
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:48 pm to
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Because there is no collateral or assets involved?


There is a lot more to bankruptcy than straight liquidation. What about a Ch. 13? Make a five-year, structured and rigid repayment plan.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 5:50 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:51 pm to
Are you retarded? Corporate welfare exists. It's a fact. As for student loans its a farce built upon the propaganda that in order to succeed you must go to school. Colleges have a monopoly on the price of education due to most companies requiring at least a 4 yr degree. With raising rates most are forced into debt
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:54 pm to
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Because there is no collateral or assets involved? That's the reason the rates are higher than say a car or home loan.


The "collateral" for the lower rates than conventional loans is opposite of this fact alone. You get lower rates BECAUSE you can't get rid of them in Ch7. Private sector unsecured loans are wayyy higher than ole Salliemae or Navient now. I have been through bankruptcy and still pay my remaining student loans. Should have been paid long ago but at 3%, things always came up over years that kept me paying $10 over minimum.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 6:00 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:54 pm to
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Because there is no collateral or assets involved? That's the reason the rates are higher than say a car or home loan.



There are many different types of bankruptcies out there, and plenty where creditors are given fractions of a dollar. I'm not arguing you should be able to graduate college, declare bankruptcy, and start fresh like a boss. I've just always found it interesting we have no issues with a person starting a small business, fricking up, declaring bankruptcy, and moving on with their lives but get up in arms about people with student loan debt that was financed at relatively high rates.

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Filing bankruptcy can help a person by discarding debt or making a plan to repay debts. A bankruptcy case normally begins when the debtor files a petition with the bankruptcy court. A petition may be filed by an individual, by spouses together, or by a corporation or other entity.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 5:56 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:57 pm to
Not anymore. It's a necessity nowadays
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:58 pm to
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An associate's degree in welding costs $2,000-$31,000. Austin Community College[4] in Texas costs $1,900 for residents and$11,430 for non-residents. At Ferris State University[5] in Big Rapids, MI, state residents pay $20,880 while out-of-state tuition costs $31,320for the two-year associate's degree in welding.A bachelor's degree in welding costs$40,000-$100,000 and lasts about four years. Ferris State University[6] costs $41,760 for state residents or$62,640 for non-residents completing a bachelor's in welding engineering technology. A bachelor's degree in welding & fabrication engineering technology from Pennsylvania College of Technology[7] in Williamsport costs $54,360 for state residents or$68,040 for non-residents. Welders with bachelor's degrees or higher may become welding supervisors, inspectors, instructors or enginee


You will still have a mountain of debt.

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Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:00 pm to
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That's because college is a luxury



Actually, its because there is legislation in place saying it isn't allowed.

You can ring up tons of services on your credit card, and then declare bankruptcy to wipe it off for pennies on the dollar. Don't get me wrong, your credit is shot and it will effect you for a long time, but it's just odd.
Posted by nogoodjr
Member since Feb 2006
852 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:04 pm to
You can work full time while going to school and pay as you go. No debt. Wow, that's complicated.
Posted by chinquapin
Member since Aug 2015
139 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:06 pm to
I got a construction management degree too. No end in sight as far as jobs go.
Posted by The Goon
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2008
1334 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:14 pm to
My problem is with the tax write off. The deduction is capped at $2500 per tax form. My wife and I got married with close to 90k between us in loans. The interest paid well exceeded $2500 per each of us, but the deduction was capped at 2500 because we are married.

The fed government is loaning the money and collecting interest. Why are they taxing me on money I'm already giving the government?
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:15 pm to
Which I did, and had less than 10k in debt when I graduated. That isn't the argument though.
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:32 pm to
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You can work full time while going to school and pay as you go. No debt. Wow, that's complicated.


Make the argument for professional students.
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13992 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:32 pm to
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Some people feel like they were sold a false bill of goods. They feel like their high school guidance counselors and college financial aid advisers pushed them towards something that ended up being nothing but a scam. The universities touted all kinds of statistics about employment, guidance counselors claimed that college was the only possible route to avoid flipping burgers and waiting tables for the rest of their lives, and financial aid was offered as this end all be all tool to a better life.

They went through 4 or 5 years of schooling at their advice only to graduate into an economy with no jobs for them. They're still waiting tables, flipping burgers, and pouring coffee at the same businesses they were when they were in high school. They're still living with their parents. Nothing has changed except now they have a piece of paper, 5 years of their life gone, and a mountain of debt that they will be making payments on until they die. I understand why they feel like they should be forgiven.

It's easy to say, "oh, better luck next time! You should have majored in engineering, haha!" Look at all the unemployed Petroleum Engineers. Look at all the business degrees, biology majors, ect who don't have jobs. Teenagers were lied to, sold a false bill of goods, and steered down a path to debt and unemployment by government employees who were supposed to shepherd them.

They were taken advantage of and used for profit by the education system. It's one thing if they chose to follow their dreams on their own accord, it's another to be purposefully guided by agents of the government into disadvantageous positions through the use of positions of authority and false statistics. In any other industry, that's called fraud.

With that being said, I don't think student debt should be "forgiven". I think we need to find a way to get the federal government out of the student loan and higher ed business so that prices can return to normal. Doing so would make college more affordable for everyone.

As for those who are stuck with worthless degrees, I feel for you, I really do. I wish there was a better solution, but there's really not. HR departments don't want you. HR departments are stupid, but they are what we have to deal with. I'm sorry, but you're going to have to be this generation's innovators. You're going to have to invent new products and services. You're going to have to take risks to expand your skillset to make yourself more attractive to those idiots in HR. You're going to have to work harder than any generation in history for far less than your parents ever had, but you will be made better for it. This country will be made better for it.

Things are dark in America right now. We are facing issues near and dear to every American, but it is not hopeless. There can still be morning in America again.
Kingbob 2016
Because everyone else is a racist.


And their idiot parents believe the same bullshite.

The ONLY reason my daughter wants to go to college is to compete at the NCAA level in Gymnastics.

If she can't do that, she's going to learn a trade.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:34 pm to
If only college was worth the money I spent...
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37687 posts
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:36 pm to
The vast vast majority do not feel like it should be forgiven.
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