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re: Why do people think electric cars are somehow better for the environment?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:25 pm to Clames
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:25 pm to Clames
quote:As already mentioned, batteries don't have to be equal to gasoline in energy density due to the piss-poor efficiency of ICE engines. And convenience? EV's "refuel" in your fricking garage for christ's sake, it doesn't get much more convenient than that. Safety?! We all carry Li-ion batteries inches from our balls every single day. Would you do that with a tiny tank of gas?
Sorry to break it to those of you that slept through chemistry and physics but there isn't any type of battery technology on the horizon that equals the energy capacity, convenience, and safety of gasoline or diesel.
quote:I see, battery tech can make essentially a quantum leap and you'd shrug it off as "less of a benefit than you think", even though by far the biggest drawback of EV's is their range. Meanwhile ICE's haven't improved substantially in a century, but we should stick with them!
You'd have to charge longer so that benefit is less than you think. Seriously, do you not know how battery charging works? If you have a 50kWh battery and a 500kWh battery being charged by a 5kW charger, you aren't charging the latter battery in the same time you were charging the smaller, you are just spending 10x longer to charge it. A charger capable of bringing that time down significantly will need extensive electrical upgrades and you aren't using NEMA WD6's.
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:19 am to Darth_Vader
Silicon dioxide batteries
quote:
Are you aware of any innovations coming into existence to solve the problems I mentioned
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:32 am to J Murdah
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It's easier and cleaner to make electricity than to refine petroleum
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:48 am to Scruffy
quote:damn I didn’t know scruffy had the gay
Scruffy doesn’t care one way or another.
He does like that his hybrid was getting 35 MPG for 13 years.
Saved lots of money.
New ones get above 50 MPG which is insane.
Can’t wait.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 4:06 am to Scruffy
My diesel Volkswagen had averaged 52mpg over 3 years of gonzales to nola commuting.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 4:31 am to Darth_Vader
"...have no fear of atomic energy, cause none of them can stoop the time..."
Posted on 1/15/19 at 6:35 am to Darth_Vader
OT lounge has hit a new low with all the upvotes of this mindblowingly stupid thread.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:37 am to J Murdah
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It's easier and cleaner to make electricity than to refine petroleum
Coal
Plenty of our energy sources at dirty, and you’re adding a number of energy transfers into the system from generation, to transmission.
So even if the vehicle is reasonably efficient, it’s actually not, because of the losses at the power plant, and what you lose through transfers.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 7:40 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:01 am to Lima Whiskey
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Coal
Plenty of our energy sources at dirty, and you’re adding a number of energy transfers into the system from generation, to transmission.
So even if the vehicle is reasonably efficient, it’s actually not, because of the losses at the power plant, and what you lose through transfers.
Natural Gas...we have a shite-ton of it, and there has been a mass exodus from burning coal to combined cycle gas.
LINK
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:45 am to madmaxvol
Natural gas burns cleaner, but consider the environmental impact of fracking.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:14 am to Darth_Vader
Because liberals are ignorant. Liberals judge everyone and try to force their beliefs onto everybody.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:58 am to ctiger69
quote:This should not be a partisan political issue. If you view it as such, you have been manipulated into seeing it that way by people who have a financial interest in your doing so.
Because liberals are ignorant. Liberals judge everyone and try to force their beliefs onto everybody.
EV's will be the only rational option one day. They MUST be the future if you value freedom, independence, and national security. And I think most people across the political spectrum value those things.
So if you don't care about or don't believe that EV's are cheaper in the long run due to fuel and maintenance cost savings, fine. You're wrong, but fine.
If you don't care about or don't believe that EV's are better for the environment in the long run, fine. You're wrong, but fine.
But if you have one drop of American blood, then you have to care about your own independence and security, as well as your country's independence and security. And that's what EV's provide.
Even if we could manage to find enough oil to cover our own consumption for the foreseeable future, the prices would still depend on what other countries do with their oil. This is not an ideal position to be in as a country. Also, each of us would still be dependent on a handful of large companies to produce our fuel. This is not an ideal position to be in as an individual.
If you truly value independence and freedom, then an electric vehicle should be the perfect choice for you. You can choose to get your "fuel" from the power company, and for convenience most will do just that. But you also have the option to produce your own energy on-site, at home. You could invest in solar panels and be a much more free individual. Also, many people seem to be concerned about recycling batteries. Car batteries are typically deemed "spent" once they drop to 80% original capacity, and that makes them a great, cheap choice to repurpose as home power storage.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:11 pm to Darth_Vader
You are completely misinformed.
FWIW, my energy bill went up about $20 per month due to charging my car every night.
The energy used to charge a car is far less then the energy required to drill, refine, transport gas and oil.
Not even close.
The batteries are an original sunk cost, but as the battery making process becomes more efficient, this will become less and less of an environmental issue.
Also, I am as conservative as it gets, frick liberals. I drive a Tesla because it is fricking awesome.
Never having to stop for gas is certainly a big bonus, but it is not even in the top 20 of things that make my car well worth the cost.
FWIW, my energy bill went up about $20 per month due to charging my car every night.
The energy used to charge a car is far less then the energy required to drill, refine, transport gas and oil.
Not even close.
The batteries are an original sunk cost, but as the battery making process becomes more efficient, this will become less and less of an environmental issue.
Also, I am as conservative as it gets, frick liberals. I drive a Tesla because it is fricking awesome.
Never having to stop for gas is certainly a big bonus, but it is not even in the top 20 of things that make my car well worth the cost.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:48 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Dude no one gives a frick about your job. If it saves me money to drive an electric car I nor anyone with a brain would think twic
Dude, No one that works for a living gives a frick about liberal losers like yourself who mooch of my tax money.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:53 pm to The Blue Stuff
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Dude, No one that works for a living gives a frick about liberal losers like yourself who mooch of my tax money.
Not to open a can of worms but I'm willing to bet your employer has benefited from far more tax rebates/credits/exemptions than the electric car industry.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 1:31 pm to The Blue Stuff
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Dude, No one that works for a living gives a frick about liberal losers like yourself who mooch of my tax money.
I pay more in taxes than you probably make in a year.
Turn that wrench bitch.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 1:59 pm to BRbornandraised
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Unbiased Video on the Subject
MAN! thanks for the video! Very informative.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 2:59 pm to Darth_Vader
The ones who truly believe they are better for the environment are naive and willing to follow the marching drums of their political ideology.
The decision makers of that ideology are aware is it not better for the environment, and they do not care. This is not about the environment. It is about shifting power and money from oil/gas companies (largely viewed as conservative) to "green" companies (liberal). It is also about redistribution of wealth, disguised in the form of taxes, tax credits and carbon credits.
The decision makers of that ideology are aware is it not better for the environment, and they do not care. This is not about the environment. It is about shifting power and money from oil/gas companies (largely viewed as conservative) to "green" companies (liberal). It is also about redistribution of wealth, disguised in the form of taxes, tax credits and carbon credits.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:50 pm to Korkstand
Wow. We have very different ideas about America, independence and freedom. But that’s ok because in America everyone can have different opinions. My view of independence and freedom is that someone should he able to drive whatever type of vehicle they want and should pay full price for it. Personally I have no interest in an EV. I want to be able to pull into gas station, fill up in 5 min and go about my business for another 400 Miles. I have 4 vehicles at home. I don’t want the hassle of plugging them in at night and plugging them in at work. I know for sure my wife doesn’t want to fool with that when she gets to work. Next time I pull my boat to the coast and back I don’t want to have to stop on way home to recharge after fishing all day. Or when I go to the camp for the weekend where I don’t have electricity try to figure out how to recharge. I don’t want to maintain several batteries per vehicle times 4. Or next hurricane when electricity is out for few days?? I recently went on trip out West. I talked to a guy that was recharging his Tesla in parking lot of gas station. He said he had been there about 30 minutes. I was glad it wasn’t me because I had several more hours left to drive and wanted to get on my way. But that’s my freedom to have an opinion. That’s what is great about living in US and not other countries like in Europe. I really don’t care what people do or drive and it shouldn’t concern others what I drive.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 1/16/19 at 4:04 pm to Hankg
Some of the arguments in this thread center around the fact that if we continue to develop electric vehicles every issue you’ve brought up will not be an issue.
Gas powered vehicles had all of those same growing pains throughout the last 100+ years. This is why it’s unreasonable to shite on electric vehicles and perpetuate the idea that they are stupid/useless.
ETA: and people in Europe have opinions
Gas powered vehicles had all of those same growing pains throughout the last 100+ years. This is why it’s unreasonable to shite on electric vehicles and perpetuate the idea that they are stupid/useless.
ETA: and people in Europe have opinions
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 4:05 pm
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