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re: Why do military jets do training flights without missiles loaded?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:12 pm to choupiquesushi
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:12 pm to choupiquesushi
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also I know on 9-22-87 USAF wishes USN tomcat was not carrying live sidewinders.... in the med....
Article to the training friendly fire mishap
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Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:15 pm to Cosmo
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Why do military jets do training flights without missiles loaded?
The last time they did a training flight with nukes, SPECTRE stole them and tried to blackmail NATO.
It's all explained in the documentary Thunderball
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:35 pm to Cosmo
My golf buddy is retired from Lockheed Martin. He was the Senior VP of something or another designated in the F-35 jet. I asked him one day if they were regularly loaded while they're flying and he said they very commonly fly loaded. I also asked what the safeguard is for the missiles. Flip the lid up and push the button. Just like you see in the movies. Kinda surprised me but that was his answer.
I'm golfing with him today if you want me to ask any other questions related to the jet.
I'm golfing with him today if you want me to ask any other questions related to the jet.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:36 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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I'm golfing with him today if you want me to ask any other questions related to the jet.
Why has his piece of shite f35 been such a money pit?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:37 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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I'm golfing with him today if you want me to ask any other questions related to the jet.
sounds like he wasn't on the hands on side so much
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:41 pm to Cosmo
Shouldn't they train at the weight the plane would normally be.
I would imagine the flight characteristics of the plane empty versus with full racks is very diffeeent.
I would imagine the flight characteristics of the plane empty versus with full racks is very diffeeent.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:43 pm to udtiger
Bro do you even independence day?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:44 pm to Cosmo
The jet itself was designed to fit each branch of the military and each branch customized their jet. The Marines have their version, Air Force has theirs, Army has theirs and Navy a different one. Haven't asked him if the same can be said for the F-16 line. But he mentioned that one branch had a much larger fuel tank for longer flights, one was a smaller fuel tank. Weaponry was all tailored for the branches and a number of other tailorings that each branch wanted.
The target of what each branch wanted was continually moving also.
That's what I recall off the top of my head.
The target of what each branch wanted was continually moving also.
That's what I recall off the top of my head.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:56 pm to Priapus
I assume the Air National Guard flys with their Vulcan cannons loaded (or not)?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 1:56 pm to cbdman
Maybe
Posted on 6/3/19 at 2:02 pm to 777Tiger
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Maybe
Posted on 6/3/19 at 2:06 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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I asked him one day if they were regularly loaded while they're flying and he said they very commonly fly loaded.
Things may have changed in the many, many years since I got out, but the only time our jets carried live ordinance was during combat or live fire exercises. The rest of the time they used blue practice bombs and missiles.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 2:28 pm to udtiger
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Shouldn't they train at the weight the plane would normally be.
I would imagine the flight characteristics of the plane empty versus with full racks is very different.
They fly with inert for training. I was an ordinanceman in an f-14 squadron in the 90's. Other than loading 20mm in the M61 it was always inert except when on cruise and in the gulf. The one exception in my squadron is we got equipment to carry Phoenix on the belly and it could hold 6 with 2 on the wings. We were the first squadron to test it. We loaded 6 live and they wanted to do a photo op. The jet trying to take pictures of it collided and both planes went down. If they loaded live on all training missions there would be a ton of unnecessary accidents. There are jets on the ground in standby ready to roll if something stupid happens.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 2:34 pm to Cosmo
To allow for maximum maneuverability to draw a sky penis, everyone knows this.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 2:39 pm to stelly1025
Ha, that's just coincidental.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:30 pm to bubblehead26
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You realize they don't only practice precision aiming right? Flying techniques, aircraft familiarization, close quarters combat maneuvering, trap and cat on carriers, taking off and landing on regular tarmac. Does no good to carry a missile if you can't take off and get behind the guy
Surely they practice with simulated full weight.
The dry weight of a 22 is 42,000 pounds, it’s weight fully fueled internally is 59,000 pounds. Max takeoff weight is 83,000 pounds. I’m sure it flies very differently with a full load of armaments and/or external fuel tanks. They have to have a set up for pilots to do training flights with the simulated weight of combat configuration.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:32 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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The jet itself was designed to fit each branch of the military
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Army has theirs
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:34 pm to Cosmo
To the Op, one place they utilize live missiles is out over the Gulf on Tyndall AFB's ranges (well, before hurricane Micheal that is)
Here is a great youtube vid that shows some live fire missile shots by Oregon ANG F-15's as they engage QF-4 Phantom Drones (Full size F-4's that are remotely flown from the ground/boat.
LINK
Especially watch the Sidewinder missile kill of a drone at around the 4:20 mark of the video.
I'm sure 777 can expound more on a vid like this, but it's a great idea of what flying one of these beauties must be like in a missile shooting scenario. (Sierra Hotel
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Here is a great youtube vid that shows some live fire missile shots by Oregon ANG F-15's as they engage QF-4 Phantom Drones (Full size F-4's that are remotely flown from the ground/boat.
LINK
Especially watch the Sidewinder missile kill of a drone at around the 4:20 mark of the video.
I'm sure 777 can expound more on a vid like this, but it's a great idea of what flying one of these beauties must be like in a missile shooting scenario. (Sierra Hotel
) This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 3:42 pm to Cosmo
Because we have electronic devices and sensors that preclude the need for firing extremely expensive ordnance.
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