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baldona
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Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
I don't understand why a police officer has to be a stand alone position at a school? There's probably 100 different ways we could take an armed policeman and incorporate them into a school so as to not need a stand alone position that increases the school budget?

Without much though, they could be an all-time substitute? How hard is that? Why not hire them as a teacher if they have a degree? Pay them say $10-20k more, there's a decent amount of police with college degrees. Would it really be that hard to offer positions like this where they could teach freshmen history, government, English, etc.? Like a coach does? What about physical education?

What about an assistant principle or other admin position like counselor? I just feel like the whole idea we need to budget an entire $X amount to add a position is incredibly poorly thought out. Sure this won't happen overnight and won't be perfect, but it seems like a better idea. There's no reason to have 1-2 cops walking around a high school doing nothing.


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Gaston
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
We need dumber teachers, great idea.


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Montezuma
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
If they were teaching, then they would be in a classroom when things went down. They would have terrible situational awareness, and would be vulnerable to instinctively protect the class first, delaying overall protection.

Unless we allow all teachers who are licensed to carry to be allowed to have theirs at work, it is likely a better option to have an officer whose only job is the safety of the building and the people in it.

No, no data to back up the above, just an opinion.


SteveLSU35
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
So if there’s a situation you want them to leave their students?


TaderSalad
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
IDK, lets ask the 4 deputies that stood down at the Parkland school.


OysterPoBoy
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
They could hold the phone while teachers film themselves having sex with students.


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baldona
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
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DK, lets ask the 4 deputies that stood down at the Parkland school.


I'm giving the majority of our police force the benefit of the doubt that in most situations this is not the norm.

I don't see how having additional police teaching is a worse situation than having fewer police in schools?

Additionally, it's not like teachers teach all day. They have time off. Again, they could be an all time Substitute in which they had 1-2 class periods off from having kids.

And let's not act like school resource officers there 100% are walking around acting like police 100% of the time. I bet we'd be talking about less than 20% less effective to have a school police teacher over a full time officer.


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Bert Macklin FBI
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
The fatal flaw in the “put cops in schools” argument is that no cop wants that assignment.

Cops need to do actual police work if they want to move up the ranks.

There is almost no actual police work to be done at a school.

This means that the cop assigned to a school is 1) not happy to be there since it’s a demeaning assignment 2) not a very good cop since he can be spared to babysit and/or 3) being punished for other actions as a police officer.

Your particular solution would mean that a single cop be permanently assigned to a school. No cop would volunteer for that.


Sidicous
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
Well, there's very few shootouts during bank robberies any more. Matter of fact, like the schools, the banks WITHOUT armed security are the ones that normally get hit and the ones with armed security get passed over.

Why not put armed security in the schools then? What's more important to the people of the USA, kids or cash?

If it means privatizing the schools then that's icing on the cake. There's no reason other than governmental control for completely public tax funded schools. Corporate schools would surely emphasize the educational needs of the corporate sponsors almost ensuring "an educated workforce to fit the business needs of the _____" (insert time frame/location/etc).


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Montezuma
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
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So if there’s a situation you want them to leave their students?


Actually, the opposite. I would want them to get students/faculty to safety. The premise of the OP would be to have a police/teacher in effect leave their students and command/control the situation and not have dedicated resources for just that.

Having armed teachers who have their CC's would be a better option, as it would be A) more than just one double-duty employee, B) would be net-zero cost in salary and C) would still allow an officer to have overall security measures.

Using Parkland in a singularity is a weak attack on the totality of school security officers. If anything it should prove that proper training and screening is paramount for security and safety.
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baldona
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
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Your particular solution would mean that a single cop be permanently assigned to a school. No cop would volunteer for that.


What about a male teacher that goes to police training over a summer break for a $20k pay raise? Ha, lol or I can not be sexist and any sex teacher?

For a $20k pay raise, I disagree we couldn't fill those positions some how.


baldona
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
A lot of states already have an officer on premise, hell Parkland did. My county in Florida now has 2 officers at all of the larger high schools. 2 is absurd, what a waste of a resource imo. That's all I'm saying, they can have dual roles and still be effective.


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cave canem
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
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Cops need to do actual police work if they want to move up the ranks.


Not much difference in filling out after the fact reports and grading 6th graders homework actually.


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AUCE05
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
Money


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Montezuma
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
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For a $20k pay raise, I disagree we couldn't fill those positions some how.


You are incentivizing poor performers to stick around. I can almost guarantee if you just allowed teachers to utilize their CC's and use their own weapons, they would do it for free. Analyze it for one year, and adjust for salary increases if that turns out to not be true.


Bert Macklin FBI
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
That’s not really putting a cop on payroll. That’s arming a teacher.

I’m not saying that isn’t a legitimate solution but you are putting a large amount of trust in that teacher to properly address the situation.

Hell, our fully trained cops get themselves into trouble for being trigger happy. You think Officer PE teacher would have better judgement?


baldona
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
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You are incentivizing poor performers to stick around. I


You aren't thinking outside the box here. Okay so instead of a police officer becoming a teacher, what about a teacher becomes a police officer? Training is what like 2-3 months? They could go to the training over the summer one summer and then spend a couple of weeks every summer doing additional training.

I don't see the difference between this and a guy that wants to coach/ teach.


baldona
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
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Hell, our fully trained cops get themselves into trouble for being trigger happy. You think Officer PE teacher would have better judgement?


Hell no. But I think it's absurd to have multiple police officers on a high school campus full time. Our resource officer didn't do jack shite when I was in school. May as well try and make them useful.


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Montezuma
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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
Police is more than just shooting and managing crisis. Could you not pay to send teachers already in possession of a CC permit to a shooter drill course once a year at one of the legitimate schools (FBI, Homeland Security, State Police) less time and money, and they can skip learning codes, rank structures, physical fitness and law enforcement?

Allow the funding for one extra safety and firing course per year as well. Continual training in relevant courses while not bogging/watering down the academies with folks who won't become police.

Me and you are certainly agreeing that if there are weapons in the school, continual training should be required. I think we just differ in opinion on what the training and pay should be. If anything let the state decide or delegate it to the school districts.


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