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re: Why can't we incorporate police into school positions?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 10:26 am to baldona
Posted on 3/7/18 at 10:26 am to baldona
There are very few male teachers at schools in the parish I live in. I have been debating teaching for a few years and I cannot believe why they do not train a few teachers in each school on how to handle a school shooting situation. I know a lot of people are not equipped to handle that mentally but crap if its you and the kids you are teaching or the shooter I think that would be a no brainer. I wish more ex military wold take up teaching just to have someone with that mindset on campus. There is no 100 percent way to keep shooters out of school but I think if we had atleast one to three trained individuals it would help. Keep schools on lockdown all day. Best answer is I hate to say consolidate schools into a large campus with a big fence surrounding but I don't see that happening.
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Posted on 3/7/18 at 10:41 am to Montezuma
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Me and you are certainly agreeing that if there are weapons in the school, continual training should be required. I think we just differ in opinion on what the training and pay should be. If anything let the state decide or delegate it to the school districts.
Oh I don't care if they are full time 'police officer'. I do disagree with having the only safety net being teachers concealed carrying.
It needs to be open carry for one. Most conceal carry are compact pistols holding 6-9 rounds. That's plenty to protect yourself, but it's completely inadequate to use 6-9 rounds to confront someone likely carrying 100s of rounds of rifle ammo that is trying to kill other people. It's completely different scenarios.
2ndly, these trained individuals in schools will HAVE to be paid. No way in hell the school will allow volunteers and no way someone will volunteer when they realize they are taking a huge risk carrying a gun around a school.
It's one thing to sit at home and say as a teacher I'll gladly carry a gun to school, it's another thing to actually carry a gun around school day in and day out.
All I'm saying is I don't see why the solution is pay additional police officers or have teachers conceal carry. There's a huge middle ground there.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:20 am to baldona
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Without much though, they could be an all-time substitute? How hard is that? Why not hire them as a teacher if they have a degree? Pay them say $10-20k more, there's a decent amount of police with college degrees. Would it really be that hard to offer positions like this where they could teach freshmen history, government, English, etc.? Like a coach does? What about physical education?
What about an assistant principle or other admin position like counselor?
For all that, you're better off having teachers/administrators that conceal carry. If you're going to have a cop on campus, the cop should be for security only, not doing other jobs. He can't monitor for suspicious activity or provide the best security if he's busy teaching class.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:21 am to baldona
Many places require the SRO to have a degree. They then teach DARE and can serve as subs if needed. Its a way for the school to have an armed, commissioned employee. There are many reasons why this is a bad idea but here is the main one.
The officer there to protect the school isn’t out front and visible. He can not confront a person coming on to the grounds if he is tied up in a class. He can only then respond to a shooter, but would leave his class full of students without an adult.
The officer there to protect the school isn’t out front and visible. He can not confront a person coming on to the grounds if he is tied up in a class. He can only then respond to a shooter, but would leave his class full of students without an adult.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:25 am to baldona
Our local school has a sherrif's deputy that is the school resource officer. He's a very nice man. Deals with problems in the school, arranges all the security for athletic events, etc.
He ain't exactly the guy I want running down criminals in a gun fight.
A lot of the ISDs in Texas have their own police force. Again, many nice people who do a good job with basic things. Many are retired LEOs from other agencies. But it's more of an allusion of security, than actual security.
If we want officers in schools, then we need to deal with it and hire officers in schools. Not officers who also teach, counselors, etc.
I mean, let's let the police do the jobs they are trained for, and want to, do.
He ain't exactly the guy I want running down criminals in a gun fight.
A lot of the ISDs in Texas have their own police force. Again, many nice people who do a good job with basic things. Many are retired LEOs from other agencies. But it's more of an allusion of security, than actual security.
If we want officers in schools, then we need to deal with it and hire officers in schools. Not officers who also teach, counselors, etc.
I mean, let's let the police do the jobs they are trained for, and want to, do.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:30 am to LSUFanHouston
Incorporate police stations and schools on the same campus. Cafeterias make donuts for kids and cops for breakfast. Win win
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:32 am to Sparkplug#1
We should be able to come up with ways to incentivize some those young military retirees to go into teaching. (Not just ROTC, I mean as regular teachers.)
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:38 am to baldona
My high school did use a few LEO's as teachers. I believe one of the classes was called Criminal Justice. I enjoyed it, and had two different teachers, one for the first part of the year, and one for the second part. I remember we would always watch Law & Order one day a week. 
They were there as LEO's though, in their uniforms, and had live communication with school officials through their radios. I remember our teacher ran out of the classroom on a couple occasions because there was a fight somewhere in the school, or someone was roaming the halls that wasn't supposed to be there.
They were there as LEO's though, in their uniforms, and had live communication with school officials through their radios. I remember our teacher ran out of the classroom on a couple occasions because there was a fight somewhere in the school, or someone was roaming the halls that wasn't supposed to be there.
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 3/7/18 at 12:14 pm to Sparkplug#1
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Incorporate police stations and schools on the same campus. Cafeterias make donuts for kids and cops for breakfast. Win win
There is an idea that I've heard about over the years, especially in inner-city schools, that schools should double as community centers. Have lots of after-school tutoring, have dinner several days a week, open the gym at night and weekends for pickup basketball, offer GED and parenting classes, etc.
Idea being, if the parents are actually in the building more, they may start to care more about their kids education, and build better relationships with teachers, etc.
Having police stations co-locate isn't a bad idea.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 12:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
I just don't see volunteers conceal carrying being any sort of solution, especially in the sue happy USA. I see it causing more political issues than solutions. Some volunteer teacher's gun is going go off incidentally, teacher leaves the gun behind in his desk and a student finds it, etc. These are high school kids, they are going to look for trouble.
Parkland had a single police officer, that didn't dissuade the last POS. I'm talking about potentially having 2-3 more or whatever in larger 2,000+ student high schools. I don't think you need 2 full time officers at any school.
Parkland had a single police officer, that didn't dissuade the last POS. I'm talking about potentially having 2-3 more or whatever in larger 2,000+ student high schools. I don't think you need 2 full time officers at any school.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 12:28 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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The fatal flaw in the “put cops in schools” argument is that no cop wants that assignment.
Cops need to do actual police work if they want to move up the ranks.
There is almost no actual police work to be done at a school.
This means that the cop assigned to a school is 1) not happy to be there since it’s a demeaning assignment 2) not a very good cop since he can be spared to babysit and/or 3) being punished for other actions as a police officer.
Your particular solution would mean that a single cop be permanently assigned to a school. No cop would volunteer for that.
This.
Nobody wants to be an SRO unless they can’t cut it anywhere else. It’s where they go to collect years until retirement.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 12:29 pm to NELARiceGuy
You’ll never get real men to get into a profession dominated by bitchy women and shite arse kids
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