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re: Why are young people too lazy/worthless to return to the office ?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 1:37 pm to Thracken13
Posted on 3/3/25 at 1:37 pm to Thracken13
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is it easy to sit at home and game? or stream a movie/show? absolutely - if your not going to do the work your job requires from home like a responsible adult, then you do not deserve the job
I'm listening to a podcast while burning oxygen at work. Were I at home, Netflix would be running on another monitor, and I still would have made the updates I needed to. Again, this is about getting the work required done in a timely and accurate fashion. Whether you're killing aliens on another screen while you wait for a response to your Teams message or reading endless shite articles on MSN.com while sitting at work is immaterial.
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 1:54 pm to TigersWin88
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I’m an engineer. With all the software we have now, I can get 40 hours of week done in 20. Some weeks this may not be true, but for most, it is.
If the investment in the software, I realize in some instances it may be a small investment, allows you to be twice as efficient and can get things done that much faster; then wouldn't it also be understood that you should now be able to handle twice the work load for the same pay? After all, while they are hiring you to perform certain tasks, the implication is also those tasks amount to an approximate 40 hour work week
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:01 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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twice the work load for the same pay? After all, while they are hiring you to perform certain tasks, the implication is also those tasks amount to an approximate 40 hour work week
My kind of work (and I presume the engineering stuff he does) doesn't really work that way. It's not a 60 widgets per hour vs. 30 widgets calculation. How long is it going to take before the CISO responds to my request so I can figure out what steps need to be taken to integrate a 3rd party product through a SAML connector? Could be 30 seconds from now, could be two days from now. Dependencies often have to be managed serially, and are highly dependent upon others.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:13 pm to RandySavage
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If companies wanted to really maximize efficiency have their employees return to the office but when they finish their work for the day they can leave. That way those that want to dick around can do so and those motivated to go home bust it and leave early, win win
What kind of jobs exist where an employee can finish their work?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:28 pm to Stud Studdington
I can go either way on return to office.
That said, anyone who has worked for large institutions/corporate America will understand the frustration that comes with institutional decisions that appear to be inexplicable and untethered to needs/reality. I don't just mean that the little guys don't understand the plans of the big guys, but when you're layered in bureaucracy, you have so much fluff and fat that it's like a game of telephone where some edict like "we're going to get leaner as an organization" ends up "we're going to make everyone go on a really unappetizing corporate retreat that'll cost us tons of money and benefit no-one."
So I expect in a lot of these return to office scenarios, there are people pulling out their hair wondering why a business doing well with less overhead, more employee satisfaction, etc. needs to reassert butts in seats. Most of them have probably worked 5 days a week in the office before, and most of them probably will comply without all that much hassle in the long run, but their quality of life will be worse and there won't be a meaningful advantage to the company. To be clear, some people who think that will be wrong (ie, the company has a good reason for the move), but many won't be.
I'm not dealing with this, but I've been in the dumb-stare-at-corporate-decision situation before, so I get it.
That said, anyone who has worked for large institutions/corporate America will understand the frustration that comes with institutional decisions that appear to be inexplicable and untethered to needs/reality. I don't just mean that the little guys don't understand the plans of the big guys, but when you're layered in bureaucracy, you have so much fluff and fat that it's like a game of telephone where some edict like "we're going to get leaner as an organization" ends up "we're going to make everyone go on a really unappetizing corporate retreat that'll cost us tons of money and benefit no-one."
So I expect in a lot of these return to office scenarios, there are people pulling out their hair wondering why a business doing well with less overhead, more employee satisfaction, etc. needs to reassert butts in seats. Most of them have probably worked 5 days a week in the office before, and most of them probably will comply without all that much hassle in the long run, but their quality of life will be worse and there won't be a meaningful advantage to the company. To be clear, some people who think that will be wrong (ie, the company has a good reason for the move), but many won't be.
I'm not dealing with this, but I've been in the dumb-stare-at-corporate-decision situation before, so I get it.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:37 pm to ATrillionaire
quote:yeah, I always hear/read that line and it confuses me
What kind of jobs exist where an employee can finish their work?
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:37 pm to Stud Studdington
Always the disconnected old idiots who say shite like this. You want a prize bc you got on your knees for the man your WHOLE ENTIRE EXSISTENCE??
You are a sad example of the American Dream.
You are a sad example of the American Dream.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Because your generation has been reduced to communicating in retarded talking points that dont mean what they say.
If you call someone "retarded" it's meant as an insult, it is not meant in the manner of literal mental retardation. The same as calling something "gay" or whatever, it's called figurative language "boomer" and it's been around for a while.
Posted on 3/3/25 at 2:50 pm to Count deMonet
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This is one reason why companies want people in the office. You probably have a lot of potential, and could do great things which would lead to a higher salary, but you come across as a minimalist. You need a leader to bring out your potential, and that won’t be done remotely.
Why? If they do their specific job tasks well and timely, then why? Most people these days have realized companies don’t have any loyalty so why go above and beyond? You’re just a number on a spreadsheet. Just more 1980s, out of touch mentality. Many people don’t have aspirations to move into management or of the chain of command. There’s nothing wrong with that either.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 3/3/25 at 6:58 pm to tylercsbn9
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I don't know about most people but it would cost me over $300/month justin gas to RTO. I am sure many are in the same boat. With the economy the way it is asking people to pay even more out of their paycheck without any increase does not sit well. Also It is nice to get an extra 2-3 hour of my day back not sitting in a commute/going to lunch somewhere.
This, all of this. If you’re a responsible adult who doesn’t need to be monitored why in the hell would you want to return to the office?
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