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re: Why are Private School Teachers typically paid less than public school teachers?

Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:50 am to
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:50 am to
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I would guess the average teacher at my kids’ school gets $7k plus a year in gifts - tax free.


Yeah, we slide them money throughout the year. The school will ask for dontations and split it up among the teachers. No problem with it at all
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:51 am to
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Your understanding of economics is embarrassing.


I look at it this way: if I provide a better service that you are willing to pay for , I should earn more money.

But the system says: you have it easier than your public counterparts, therefore you get paid less.

The irony is that outside of another income source, we effectively pay private school teachers an embarrassing oy low salary that can be eclipsed by most vocational jobs (not saying it's better than those jobs, but it is just as valuable to society)

I understand that the US trains people to value things by ROI above all else. I'm just pointing out this could be barrier to some people who would want to enter the profession.
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:51 am to
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Private School : $36K. Public: $50K. Article

Those are the National averages.


I've heard from teachers that worked in both that taking less pay to have involved parents, kids that care, and a better support system from administration is worth it.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:51 am to
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Additionally, public school teachers have to shoot for higher standards (testing) than the average private school. My guess is Zachary/Central public school teachers have to shoot for higher testing standards than the nearby Central Private or Silliman teachers.

Depends on the private school and the public school. I’d imagine generally scores need to be higher in private schools. See all the failing public schools we have
Posted by Heavy C
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:51 am to
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Posted by High C
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:52 am to
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My sister moved from a public school to a private school. She was teaching nearly 30 kids in a public school class at a time and now only teaches like 14. Also, the 14 come from great families who all value an education.


This. I'd MUCH rather teach at a private school, but I need to pay my bills.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:52 am to
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They don't have to have the same certifications


That and most of your private school teachers end up being families using the salary as a smaller, secondary income to the household.

Private schools also use the “its better kids” line to justify the lower pay. But coming from wealth/two parent homes doesn’t exempt them from their own challenges. Lots of kids who get away with a lot of shite when their parents are big donors.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:53 am to
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Better families and students typically.


Also, less students per class which is huge to teachers.
Posted by saderade
America's City
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:53 am to
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. I would guess the average teacher at my kids’ school gets $7k plus a year in gifts - tax free.
what kind of gifts? I can understand a small Christmas present but 7 thousand worth?
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42274 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:54 am to
Private school teachers also usually get reduced tuition for their kids, which is well worth the lower salary if private school was always the plan.
Posted by Chief Hinge
There and Here
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:55 am to
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Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42274 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:56 am to
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what kind of gifts? I can understand a small Christmas present but 7 thousand worth?


Most of it will be cash
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 10:56 am
Posted by Chief Hinge
There and Here
Member since Sep 2018
3237 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:56 am to
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I look at it this way: if I provide a better service that you are willing to pay for , I should earn more money.


90% of the employed can say this.
Posted by Anonymous95
Member since Sep 2014
2101 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:57 am to
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Private school teachers also usually get reduced tuition for their kids,

Every teacher at my kid’s school has at least one kid that attends for free. That’s an extra $8K - $12K per year per student.
Posted by Sip_Tyga
Member since Nov 2016
237 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:58 am to
Because public school teachers aren’t paid a market price. When you can extort the money from the citizens, you can pay extra.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22342 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:58 am to
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Furthermore, why are teachers treated in a socialist manner regarding the subject they teach. In a free market, youd have STEM teachers earning the most save for coaches.


This sums up the Economics Department at SU.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42274 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:03 am to
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I look at it this way: if I provide a better service that you are willing to pay for , I should earn more money.



The teachers aren’t indentured servants. They can leave anytime they want to.

They don’t have to put up with stupid bureaucratic bullshite from multiple government agencies.
They don’t have to put up with kids that repeatedly disturb class or cause problems.
Smaller class sizes
Cleaner facilities
Larger percentage of helpful parents
Reduced or free tuition for their kids
Safer environment

If a teacher can afford to make 10-15k/yr less it seems like a no-brainer
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:07 am to
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teacher can afford to make 10-15k/yr less it seems like a no-brainer


I agree with you and the general consensus on this board. However, the quoted line is tall price to pay. Especially if you are single.

As others have stated I can see how are married person could easily make it work. Not so much for a single person unless they are working a 2nd job.

I dont think it is worth it, but that's why I'm not an educator I guess.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:07 am to
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My guess


All of the things in your post are very minor issues. The main difference in the pay gap is the overall dynamics of teaching in a private school are more in demand than teaching in a public school. Teachers don't want to teach to standardized tests. They don't want to teach to 30 kids when they can teach to 20 elsewhere.

You can teach a room of 20 kids whose parents are paying for them to be there and you can teach them however you'd like...

OR

You can teach a room of 30 kids whose are there by law/zoning and you must follow a litany of regulations.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Member since Apr 2009
43131 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:09 am to
Many private schools are "for profit" and most of the money ends up in investor's pockets. And private charter schools do get public money based on the number of students they have. This public money is shifted from the public schools who's student enrollment is shrinking. This would be great if the private charter schools were providing a better education than the public schools but this is not the case. Study after study shows these Charter school students score lower on the standardized tests that are now used to rate all schools.
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