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re: Why are charter schools so polarizing?

Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:26 pm to
Posted by MarkFromBuffalo
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:26 pm to
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Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:38 pm to
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As of this August.

orleans now an all charter district


Interesting to see how many fail
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 6:42 pm to
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Here's a good article on one in Breaux Bridge 



According to the article, they did not receive state of federal funding so I believe they are not an actual charter school.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:40 pm to
I will preface this by saying I don't necessarily agree with this assessment, mostly because charter schools aren't really a thing yet here in Alabama.


That said, one of the arguments I've seen against them is they perpetuate classism/racism. I understand each state sets their standards for charter schools and this may not apply to Louisiana. But I. Some states, even with there being a choice there, charter schools can accept abd reject on their own criteria. So they're a sort of quasi-privaye school, but stripping funds away from public schools. And while they're taking funds, they're also taking the better students which drags down the public school further.

I don't know if this scenario is an actual reality, but that's an argument I've seen against them.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:57 pm to
If they are all charter then none are charter.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:00 pm to
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Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:02 pm to
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And while they're taking funds, they're also taking the better students which drags down the public school further.


It is very possible to pick 12 charter schools at random and find that each school is very different in the type of students they service and their mission.

In my experience, for every charter school that is “taking the better students”, there are 3 that are trying to help the students that come from rough homes that public schools were too stifled by the system to help.

Make no mistake, there are bad Boards that do bad jobs but it would be inaccurate to generalize charter schools in a negative light. There’s a lot of good people trying to help kids that need it.

Charters are able to think out of the box where public schools don’t have the option to.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:03 pm to
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If they are all charter then none are charter.


So in other words you have no idea what a Charter School is
Posted by LigerFan
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:05 pm to
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Considering the results of some of the publics in BR like Istrouma, Capitol, and the old Lee HS, I’m not sure charters can be much worse.


Fun fact, Capitol is now a charter school. Friendship Capitol is the name now
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:08 pm to
I think they actually split it into two charters, one for boys and one for girls.
Posted by LigerFan
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:14 pm to
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I think they actually split it into two charters, one for boys and one for girls.


That must be fairly new. About 4 years ago I watched as two pregnant students fought and the boyfriend of one/baby daddy of the other stood with me.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:15 pm to
I just remember at one point several years ago there was a big news push about how it had been split into two single sex schools. I’m guessing GM 8-10 years ago, so they were probably recombined at some point.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:37 pm to
I was told by a source I consider reliable that the local charter school has gotten rid of it's original board members and replaced them with members who do not reside in this parish.
Posted by LSU2001
Cut Off, La.
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:16 pm to
I could write a multipage response to this thread and still not even scratch the surface of the whole Charter School movement. I will not do that but I will preface my response by saying that I have been a Louisiana public school educator for 20 years and a principal for 10 of that time.

The original idea for a "charter" school was to allow a school to set up,and use experimental teaching methods or ideas to perform research that would ultimately benefit all of public education. The advent of whole failing school crisis nationwide, the charter movement really started to take off and did a lot of good for kids around the country.

The debate really took off when the No Child Left Behind Act,or as I like to call it the No Child Goes Untested. This act started showing schools around the country were failing and students were leaving school without even basic and math skills. This data came out, and the media got into the debate and put their spin on it. Then the teacher's unions, politicians and anyone else with a stake in education began using this "crisis" to push their individual agendas and the whole topic became wildly politicized. To the parents of school age kids it became a real, but hyped, concern about their own children's education and they began to raise hell to their local boards, politicians and anyone else that would listen. What you see happening today is the response to all of this.
I won't get into the whole racism, funding etc. on this post but I will say that charters in general are nothing like they were intended to be, but they have done a lot of good things around the country. Many kids, who would otherwise have to attend a shithole school, were able to get a good and safe education and escape their circumstances. Like any human endeavor, there is a ton of room for corruption, ignorance, stupidity, and out right evil intent with the whole charter structure today. In my view, this is no reason to just throw out a blanket statement that charters are good or charters are bad, when the real answer is that it is very complicated.

WTL:DR
Charters can be good or bad so the whole debate is very complicated and depends on a ton of factors.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:37 pm to
It's private corporations getting taxpayer money and providing an inferior product. Charter school kids consistently score lower on the standardized tests than their peers at public schools in the same district. But standardized tests are a whole other way private companies suck away tax dollars.
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:43 pm to
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Public dollars ran by non elected officials in most cases.


Overall I'm not a huge favor of them for this reason...

I will say this.. I love public education and believe it to be necessary for a civilized society, however, iron sharpens iron and there really isn't anything to push public education besides shite arse tests that we basically do nothing but teach to.

Competition is good for a lot of things. Education as it stands now could stand to have some competition.

Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:34 pm to
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Definitely private vs parochial. They are completely different.


Parochial schools are by definition private schools supported by a particular church or parish.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27547 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:53 pm to
They take money from the local school board and pay it as profit to the private owners of the charter. It is a money making scam. If things don’t go well they take the money and close. And most are no better, typically worse, than the other public schools.
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14798 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 4:22 am to
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They take money from the local school board and pay it as profit to the private owners of the charter. It is a money making scam. If things don’t go well they take the money and close.


I love the internet. You literally made this up or heard it from someone who did. Nothing you said is even close to the truth.

Y’all have fun with this topic. Now that we’re having story time, I’m done.
Posted by crownNbull
Gretna
Member since Jun 2010
3286 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 4:57 am to
I got nothing other than 99% of the teachers at the charter schools in Orleans Parish are SJW’s.
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