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re: Why are Arrests made public if people are Innocent Until Proven Guilty ?
Posted on 7/6/24 at 1:47 pm to athenslife101
Posted on 7/6/24 at 1:47 pm to athenslife101
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“Hey, that girl I’m going on a date with was arrested last year for public intoxication.
Would that be a deal breaker? What if she doesn't go out much, that night just so happened to be a night her friends finally got her to go out and she decides to go all in.. She has one wild night.
If she had a drinking problem you would know soon enough whether she got arrested for public intoxication or not.
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Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:28 pm to Joe Dimaggio
good luck in court, baw
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:32 pm to Joe Dimaggio
Because inquiring minds want to know.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:32 pm to TBoy
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Generally, all actions of the state should be transparent. If the state can do secret arrests and secret prosecutions, then there is no check on state power, because no one knows what's going on. It is never a good look to be arrested or charged, but the alternative (secret arrests and prosecutions) is much worse.
While that's true it doesn't address the media's use of alleged crimes to up their ratings. Commercial revenue for a news company shouldn't be based on an allegation made that hasn't been substantiated.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:33 pm to Joe Dimaggio
Totally agree!
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:33 pm to Joe Dimaggio
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A retired Cop once told me that you wouldn't believe how often people are arrested for no other reason than they pissed off the Cop, or the Cop felt disrespected & had his feelings hurt.
I let a police chief in a small town in Louisiana know what a piece of shite he was. This was 24 years ago. He claimed I threatened him, his buddy, the DA, prosecuted me, but luckily the judge had some sense. I got six months probation and still have to put this "violent" offense on my job applications. Not a good look when applying for a teaching position.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 2:45 pm to Joe Dimaggio
One thing all you are forgetting is the grand jury process has always been secret. You have secret jurors and secret proceedings. So we already have a secret element to the justice system.
I agree it sucks when a baw is arrested, has his mug plastered on the Internet, and is later either not charged (by a grand jury) or found innocent at trial. Afterwards he has no option to clean up his reputation. The state is under no obligation to help him and won't help.
Most people who are arrested are guilty, but not all of them are.
I agree it sucks when a baw is arrested, has his mug plastered on the Internet, and is later either not charged (by a grand jury) or found innocent at trial. Afterwards he has no option to clean up his reputation. The state is under no obligation to help him and won't help.
Most people who are arrested are guilty, but not all of them are.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:23 pm to AUstar
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One thing all you are forgetting is the grand jury process has always been secret. You have secret jurors and secret proceedings. So we already have a secret element to the justice system.
That's different... grand juries actually protect identities if they fail to indict
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:25 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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I agree with you. A angry child can accuse a adult of molestation and the adult gets arrested. Its plastered all over the News, internet, social media etc. days later it can discovered that it was all BS and they are released. If that is even released it is buried on page 10 of the paper or not covered at all. That person will forever be tainted because a seed has been planted in ppl's heads.
And yet the majority of people here think that it's so awesome when states implement the death penalty for child molestation. As if we should have any confidence at all that the verdict is "correct"
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
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While that's true it doesn't address the media's use of alleged crimes to up their ratings. Commercial revenue for a news company shouldn't be based on an allegation made that hasn't been substantiated.
That doesn't make sense... what do you mean by "substantiated"... if the state makes a claim it should be public... under your terms no crime could be reported on until the trail is over... ain't no right of privacy if one is accused of a crime... probably not the media job to investigate every claim made by the state
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:35 pm to TBoy
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Generally, all actions of the state should be transparent. If the state can do secret arrests and secret prosecutions, then there is no check on state power, because no one knows what's going on. It is never a good look to be arrested or charged, but the alternative (secret arrests and prosecutions) is much worse.
This is actually a very good counterpoint. Now I’m not sure which side to take.
I am a firm believer that anyone that makes a false accusation should receive a sentence equal to what the innocent person could have faced. Maybe that will help cut down on that bullshite.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:39 pm to Joe Dimaggio
The answer is false accusations need to be prosecuted more harshly and plastered all over the news the same way the original accusation is. But that doesn’t hit people fear porn algorithm the same way the original accusations are so no one cares.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:45 pm to billjamin
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The answer is false accusations need to be prosecuted more harshly
False accusations by whom should be prosecuted???...
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:46 pm to Joe Dimaggio
Of those times where the person is arrested and the cop was a bozo, I would say 99% of those the person is a dumbass and probably already has an arrest record so there is no shaming going on
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:50 pm to Joe Dimaggio
Other countries do not post names. Only the good old USA
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:54 pm to Beef Supreme
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I see him about a year or so after this came out. He's friendly and asking what's been going on. I guess he notices that I'm a little reserved so he brings it up. Tells me it wasn't him, they got the wrong guy and then says "honestly. No charges were brought. Look it up. I'm trying to see how to clear my name. I can't get work." So I asked my buddy that works in the news to do some digging and he said sure enough that entire thing just went away. No charges.
Yet his mugshot where he was absolutely beat to shite is still online.
I found the original OT Thread from 2016. I'm sure you can imagine the responses. All the common virtue signaling bs.
Original OT Thread
Posted on 7/6/24 at 3:56 pm to Joe Dimaggio
Completely agreed. Websites posting booking information shouldn’t be public imo.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 4:03 pm to Joe Dimaggio
I agree 110% with you and this exact post is one of MANY reasons I will be leaving the dept i work for.
You see people done absolutely fricking wrong enough times that you just cant take it anymore.
Political agendas drive alot of charges that the parish DAs feel they have to "hang" some defendants off of halfassed investigations. Even though the dumbass officers or deputies dont have fricking clue how to properly investigate and or charge said suspect the DA still props them up to save face.
The amout of corruption in small town Louisiana is so rampant that the DOJ should clean out 99% of the 64 parishes DAs offices and seriously consider at least auditing sheriffs offices and police depts.
I have watched DWIs for those "entitled" be completely erased before they ever hit the books and others whom become fallguys to cover for other "entitled" to help support a political agenda.
I will no longer reside in this state after the is year and I will also do everything in my power to take my kids and grandkids with me. This entire state is a corrupt cesspool and it took me all of these years to be able to say I will no longer take part these reindeer games.
You see people done absolutely fricking wrong enough times that you just cant take it anymore.
Political agendas drive alot of charges that the parish DAs feel they have to "hang" some defendants off of halfassed investigations. Even though the dumbass officers or deputies dont have fricking clue how to properly investigate and or charge said suspect the DA still props them up to save face.
The amout of corruption in small town Louisiana is so rampant that the DOJ should clean out 99% of the 64 parishes DAs offices and seriously consider at least auditing sheriffs offices and police depts.
I have watched DWIs for those "entitled" be completely erased before they ever hit the books and others whom become fallguys to cover for other "entitled" to help support a political agenda.
I will no longer reside in this state after the is year and I will also do everything in my power to take my kids and grandkids with me. This entire state is a corrupt cesspool and it took me all of these years to be able to say I will no longer take part these reindeer games.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 4:09 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:Now you are getting into freedom of the press territory. Good luck with THAT.
Commercial revenue for a news company shouldn't be based on an allegation made that hasn't been substantiated.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 4:09 pm to lepdagod
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False accusations by whom should be prosecuted???...
People who file false accusations. I thought it was pretty self explanatory.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 4:11 pm
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