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re: Who here was whipped as a child but doesn't whip their own children now?

Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:30 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:30 pm to
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As if there are no assholes that were spanked as kids.


I see that "reasoning" is still giving you trouble.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:32 pm to


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As in many areas of science, some researchers disagree about the validity of the studies on physical punishment. Robert Larzelere, PhD, an Oklahoma State University professor who studies parental discipline, was a member of the APA task force who issued his own minority report because he disagreed with the scientific basis of the task force recommendations. While he agrees that parents should reduce their use of physical punishment, he says most of the cited studies are correlational and don’t show a causal link between physical punishment and long-term negative effects for children.

“The studies do not discriminate well between non-abusive and overly severe types of corporal punishment,” Larzelere says. “You get worse outcomes from corporal punishment than from alternative disciplinary techniques only when it is used more severely or as the primary discipline tactic.”

In a meta-analysis of 26 studies, Larzelere and a colleague found that an approach they described as “conditional spanking” led to greater reductions in child defiance or anti-social behavior than 10 of 13 alternative discipline techniques, including reasoning, removal of privileges and time out (Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review, 2005). Larzelere defines conditional spanking as a disciplinary technique for 2- to 6-year-old children in which parents use two open-handed swats on the buttocks only after the child has defied milder discipline such as time out.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62278 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:45 pm to
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I see that "reasoning" is still giving you trouble.


Yes, yours is. It's erroneous, but hardly surprising.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:49 pm to
If you understood reasoning, you might not have fallen on your face the last several pages.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:50 pm to
Are y’all still fricking arguing over this?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62278 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:55 pm to
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If you understood reasoning, you might not have fallen on your face the last several pages.


Wow, that's it? It's late in the day for you I guess.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:57 pm to
Just stop, you and shel got owned these last few pages.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:58 pm to
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Are y’all still fricking arguing over this?


It was never an argument.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:59 pm to
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Wow, that's it?


As always, I give the amount of effort that's necessary.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:05 pm to
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Just stop, you and shel got owned these last few pages.
Other than the studies that do account for causal estimates and STILL show similar results.

Other than that...owned!!!!



Let me guess, those studies are no good either, right?
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 5:08 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62278 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:06 pm to
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Just stop, you and shel got owned these last few pages.


Ok, so you can't reason with a child under "x" age (not sure what this one is, as various ages have been proposed). This is of course contrary to childhood development professionals. Children only understand if/then of spanking (which does not imply any reasoning whatever), and if you don't spank kids, they will turn out to be assholes.

If I was "owned" by these asinine proposals, I'll accept it, because quite frankly they're ludicrous.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62278 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:06 pm to
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As always, I give the amount of effort that's necessary.



Oh yes, we are well aware of that.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34859 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:11 pm to
Yes, they are...


Apparently they don’t believe that there are many different ways to discipline many different types of kids successfully

When my four year old acts up, I just whoop his mother because beating him no longer does any good...
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 5:12 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:13 pm to
By taking a stand that only your way isn't wrong, you've lost. You started out rationally in this thread, but then you just couldn't help yourself by doing your usual thing.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
18625 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:15 pm to
My dad beat my arse with fricking leather horse reins.


Y’all sure are a bunch of time motherfrickers
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:18 pm to
I was beaten unmerciful with a belt as a kid. I spank my kids lightly when they are small only with my hand. When they turn 3 and it's not enough to get there attention i stop spanking. I find it's not really effective.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62278 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:21 pm to
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By taking a stand that only your way isn't wrong, you've lost.


I know you were responding to Shel, but I've stated several times in this thread that I'm not opposed to spanking per se.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:24 pm to
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The more children are spanked, the more likely they are to defy their parents and to experience increased anti-social behavior, aggression, mental health problems and cognitive difficulties, according to a new meta-analysis of 50 years of research on spanking by experts at The University of Texas at Austin and the University of Michigan.

The study, published in this month’s Journal of Family Psychology, looks at five decades of research involving over 160,000 children. The researchers say it is the most complete analysis to date of the outcomes associated with spanking, and more specific to the effects of spanking alone than previous papers, which included other types of physical punishment in their analyses.




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Our analysis focuses on what most Americans would recognize as spanking and not on potentially abusive behaviors,” says Elizabeth Gershoff, an associate professor of human development and family sciences at The University of Texas at Austin. “We found that spanking was associated with unintended detrimental outcomes and was not associated with more immediate or long-term compliance, which are parents’ intended outcomes when they discipline their children.”

Gershoff and co-author Andrew Grogan-Kaylor, an associate professor at the University of Michigan School of Social Work, found that spanking (defined as an open-handed hit on the behind or extremities) was significantly linked with 13 of the 17 outcomes they examined, all in the direction of detrimental outcomes.

“The upshot of the study is that spanking increases the likelihood of a wide variety of undesired outcomes for children. Spanking thus does the opposite of what parents usually want it to do,” Grogan-Kaylor says.

Gershoff and Grogan-Kaylor tested for some long-term effects among adults who were spanked as children. The more they were spanked, the more likely they were to exhibit anti-social behavior and to experience mental health problems. They were also more likely to support physical punishment for their own children, which highlights one of the key ways that attitudes toward physical punishment are passed from generation to generation.

The researchers looked at a wide range of studies and noted that spanking was associated with negative outcomes consistently and across all types of studies, including those using the strongest methodologies such as longitudinal or experimental designs. As many as 80 percent of parents around the world spank their children, according to a 2014 UNICEF report. Gershoff notes that this persistence of spanking is in spite of the fact that there is no clear evidence of positive effects from spanking and ample evidence that it poses a risk of harm to children’s behavior and development.




Here you go

LINK
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:31 pm to
Oh look:

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Parents who believe in "spare the rod, spoil the child" might be setting their children up to become violent toward future partners, according to a study published Tuesday in the Journal of Pediatrics.

"We asked 758 kids between 19 and 20 years old how often they had been spanked, slapped or struck with an object as form of punishment when they were younger," said the study's lead author, Jeff Temple, a psychiatry professor at the University of Texas Medical Branch. "Kids who said they had experienced corporal punishment were more likely to have recently committed dating violence.




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Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:31 pm to
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By taking a stand that only your way isn't wrong, you've lost
I'd love to know where you draw the line on that.

Also interested in you moving the goalpost on me being "owned" when you realized studies have shown the causal link when apparently you didn't realize that, hence, the "owned" comment.
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