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re: Who here is in a union? Do you feel it helps or hurts?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:42 pm to HT713
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:42 pm to HT713
quote:I do not meet any of the criteria for the type of person you are hoping to hear from.
however, I'd love to hear one of the many, many very intelligent and thoughtful neocon posters here explain how the graph below is illegitimate
But it does occur to me that the graph you posted is highly misleading. Superimposing separate rates in one chart is a very clever way for the very intelligent people you spoke of to delude not so intelligent people into thinking that superimposed graph lines imply a causal relationship. We could also superimpose graphs that reflect changing trends in the growing share of Americans who obtain college degrees instead of union membership participation rates, and that too might suggest a causal relationship (and may even be more plausible). We could do it with a graph showing the increase in complexity of managing large businesses and corporations over time (as measured by the increases in various regulations and so on), and that too might be a plausible correlation to explain why our top income earners are growing a larger share of the nation’s income.
But suppose we included a trend line reflecting the share of Americans who report to drink milk (it’s been declining over the years). Would you then automatically assume that drinking less milk is a cause or an effect of participating in unions? Or a cause or effect in growing the share of wealth generated by our top value producers? Of course you wouldn’t. That would be ridiculous. So why be intrigued at the range of conclusions that could possibly be drawn by the presence of a graph charting a reduction in labor union participation?
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:46 pm to BabyTac
Yes
Yes and no, there are positives and negatives to everything. I don't believe we would be getting paid an hour what we get without the Union. It does protect the lazy but we have a pretty good culture here where 80% will work hard.
Yes and no, there are positives and negatives to everything. I don't believe we would be getting paid an hour what we get without the Union. It does protect the lazy but we have a pretty good culture here where 80% will work hard.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:49 pm to BabyTac
I was in a union because I was forced to join to get the job. I was there for 5 years then went non union. I noticed that the non union life is more positive, we can do it, team oriented lifestyle. The union was very individualized and the big believers only talked about rules, clauses, etx. It was very frustrating. The negatives are that it promotes mediocrity, not excellence. They can also control your life/career. The thing I hated most were seeing the scumbags who represented me, and they milked dues from me. That was when I knew I was in the wrong place. Advantages include providing additional training.
Private pays more but you are challenged tenfold. Expectations are high. More stress....looks better on a resume. More positive minded people.
Private pays more but you are challenged tenfold. Expectations are high. More stress....looks better on a resume. More positive minded people.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:55 pm to HT713
Cool graph posted with no context, bro.
Nevermind, you are not worth engaging. Continue your regularly scheduled sky-scream.
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neocon posters
Nevermind, you are not worth engaging. Continue your regularly scheduled sky-scream.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:58 pm to Sweltering Chill
quote:You base this opinion on your Uncle telling you his side of the story. Maybe your Uncle is a lazy or lying POS and misrepresented his side of the issue to you all.
Perfect example, i have an uncle who is a big MAGA guy, works at a plant and got fired.. he claimed it was an unjust firing and the union he was mandatorily required to be a part of took his case and fought for his back pay, job reinstatement etc... My uncle got what he was fairly entitled to, but still talks ish about unions.. Typical hypocrisy.
That would mean the Union forced his employer to take back a POS.
Unions are more worried about their own survival than the well-being of the workers they are supposed to represent. And (almost without historical exception) just about all Unions could give zero fricks about the health and viability of the firms that their members work for.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:50 pm to CoachChappy
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am in one, but in education, you have to be in one for the legal coverage. I am not in the one connected to NEA
Teachers union is the absolute cause of the shitty education system today.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:53 pm to Sweltering Chill
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This country was built on unions.. You can thank unions for having a the weekend off and a 40 hr (in most cases) standard work week.
Maybe. But they’re now that we’ve pretty much gotten what we’ve wanted and as long as the place doesn’t treat you like shite, there’s really no point in them anymore. Other than maybe a tiny bit of seniority protection. That’s about it. Union heads have all the leverage now. Speak up and want something changed and they strike you down in a heartbeat.
I’m part of a local union, but no one gives a frick about them as long as they give us an annual raise, no one uses them or cares about them around here.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:56 pm to Sweltering Chill
quote:
You can thank unions for having a the weekend off and a 40 hr (in most cases) standard work week.
Wrong. It was a man that was ardently against unions that created this.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:59 pm to Sweltering Chill
Unions are nothing but useless bureaucracy in 2020. Any company misgivings are posted to social media and usually resolved before the union even knows about it.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:59 pm to BabyTac
Yes and yes.
Really good.
No mafia.
Unfortunately they defend everyone.
But for some things really important.
Really good.
No mafia.
Unfortunately they defend everyone.
But for some things really important.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:35 pm to Sweltering Chill
quote:
You can thank unions for having a the weekend off and a 40 hr (in most cases) standard work week.
And now all the stuff unions fought for are federal law. Unions are rarely good for anything nowadays, and I speak as someone who grew up in a union household, and as a former union member.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:37 pm to Prominentwon
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Teachers union is the absolute cause of the shitty education system today.
Congrats. You posted the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this cite
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:39 pm to BabyTac
I was in a union once. My boss issued a series of mandatory meetings early in the morning that kept falling on my days off, and it turned out that that violated a union deal, and I snitched and the meetings were cancelled.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:52 pm to BabyTac
Had the chance to meet a life long union guy a few years ago. He was an electrician in NY, he got cold during work one day and walked across the street and drank beer for 2 hours because "it warmed him up", company took him off of the job. He had a hearing about his job, and he won and had to be paid all loss wages. If you don't see something wrong with that I don't know what to tell you.
I met the guy an hour before, and he told that story like he won a gold medal at the Olympics
I met the guy an hour before, and he told that story like he won a gold medal at the Olympics
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:52 pm to FCP
quote:which local IBEW Baw?
FCP
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:54 pm to Splackavellie
I’m in the ibew and I like. I’m also not lazy. Depends I guess on what union your in but the company doesn’t make money unless we complete jobs on time. Also, there’s a reason why unions were started and it’s not to make money doing very little. Do I think perfect? No but my work is judged and you can tell (electrical) what’s union and what’s not. I was in the military and it has the same type of structure and order which I find appealing
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:03 pm to BabyTac
When I was 16 I got a permit to work out of a construction union in a plant for one summer as an apprentice’s helper.
I saw first hand how unions help lazy people who don’t want to compete at work.
Overachievers should hate unions. I do.
I saw first hand how unions help lazy people who don’t want to compete at work.
Overachievers should hate unions. I do.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:04 pm to BabyTac
quote:
Who here is in a union? Do you feel it helps or hurts?
I am. Our union stinks and is basically useless, unless you are a useless worker. Then, the union can help you retain your job after screwing up.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:06 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
quote:100% agree
No but my work is judged and you can tell (electrical) what’s union and what’s not.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:08 pm to Mariner
The union I’m in usually goes back to fix non union work. I got a call for a job when I got there was told we had a week left. So I’d if non union start all over. Being in the union I got the next job. It has its benefits. As far as dues, I pay 5% of my check and 43 a month. It’s better than what non union makes in my area. To make money, the option is to go on the road. Either way union makes more from what I’ve experience.
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