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Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:39 pm to Gaston
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For the sake of the argument we're assuming neither could do each other's job. The CEO just wasn't as book smart and the Oceanographer just simply doesn't have the people skills and gravitas of the CEO.
Oceanographer is smarter objectively IMO, however the CEO is much more fun to be around and success USUALLY comes to those who shake the right hands, not who gets the best grades.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:40 pm to The Mick
Well I know both of these people. They were specific examples, one out of my peer group and one from my BILs. The oceanographer is very socially awkward and I was telling my BIL that he's unquestionably intelligent. His point was that no in fact he's not. He use an example of a person he thought was unquestionably intelligent that I've met before. Hence the thread.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:40 pm to Hangit
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A real dumb arse with an Eidetic memory can accomplish a lot, while fooling people into thinking he is intelligent.
I think an eidetic memory would make you a genius automatically, no?
They literally remember everything...
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:41 pm to Gaston
Intelligence and success are two totally different things and aren't exclusive to either
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:41 pm to Gaston
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His point was that no in fact he's not. He use an example of a person he thought was unquestionably intelligent that I've met before.
Success doesn't always equal raw intelligence.
There's a lot of luck and a lot of relationships that can lead to success for really stupid people. Also, I know some stupid rich people that hired really smart people to run their companies. The action of hiring might be somewhat intelligent, but its really common sense.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:43 pm to Gaston
Different types of skills/intelligence completely. Both successes.
You're asking for a binary answer on something that I'd equate to a 3D spectrum.
You're asking for a binary answer on something that I'd equate to a 3D spectrum.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:43 pm to Gaston
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and works for the government mapping the ocean floor all over the world.
it would be smarter if he stuck to just the oceans
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:43 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Oceanographer is smarter objectively IMO,
Is intelligence memorizing stuff or applying information to solving problems? I say the latter, and it's impossible to know based on the OP
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:45 pm to TheCaterpillar
He was just referencing a mentor of his and how he equates how the man conducts himself and the decisions he makes with intelligence. Even if he lost it all tomorrow, the intelligence it took to build it would still be there and he could build it all again.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Is intelligence memorizing stuff or applying information to solving problems?
I'd say an oceanographer has to be quite good at applying information learned.
I'm thinking the oceanographer also did far better on standardized tests and IQ tests than the CEO, but that's just a guess.
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impossible to know based on the OP
Agree.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:46 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I think an eidetic memory would make you a genius automatically, no?
Yes and no. They may not be able to accomplish children's levels of problem solving if it is not in their databanks. Some with an Eidetic memory may be smarter than others based on genetics. Environment and exposure are helpful.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:49 pm to Gaston
Who's happier?
Which one has a better quality of life?
Who has more control over their situation?
Which task will leave them better off physically upon retirement?
Many questions, subjective answers to some, some unanswerable.
I'm happy where I am, control matters to me, I could make more money somewhere else but I wouldn't have the security and control that I now have.
I make enough where I now am.
Which one has a better quality of life?
Who has more control over their situation?
Which task will leave them better off physically upon retirement?
Many questions, subjective answers to some, some unanswerable.
I'm happy where I am, control matters to me, I could make more money somewhere else but I wouldn't have the security and control that I now have.
I make enough where I now am.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:02 pm to Gaston
You and your BIL need to come to a common definition of intelligence to even begin to evaluate this. Good luck, you guys seem miles apart on that.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:03 pm to Gaston
Intelligence comes in many different facets.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:22 pm to Gaston
test for the activity you wish to see performed.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:23 pm to Gaston
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Who do you think is more intelligent?
Oceanographer who graduated high school a year early, 4.0s through science and applied science degrees, and works for the government mapping the ocean floor all over the world.
B) CEO of a company that owns 6 very successful restaurants as well as other land and business ventures.
The one that got his wife to sign the pre-nup
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:29 pm to TheCaterpillar
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however the CEO is much more fun to be around and success USUALLY comes to those who shake the right hands, not who gets the best grades.
Success is different for everybody. Just because "success" to you means making lots of money doesn't mean that's how other people define it.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:32 pm to Gaston
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The oceanographer is very socially awkward
So what? If someone is socially awkward that means they're not intelligent? That's a big load of horseshite.
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I was telling my BIL that he's unquestionably intelligent.
You're probably correct
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His point was that no in fact he's not.
Because he's not rich? That has to be the most shallow measure I've ever heard of for determining if someone is intelligent or not.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:32 pm to Gaston
A. Smart people don't open restaurants.
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