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re: Whites at top colleges would go from 66% to 75% if SAT only admission criteria
Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:58 am to tigerskin
Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:58 am to tigerskin
White people are the only race in the history of the world to ever put other races actively before their own kind.
It will not end well.
It will not end well.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 4:58 am
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 5:48 am to tigerskin
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:09 am to reauxl tigers
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I'm surprised at the Asian stat
There are dumb Asians too.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:11 am to baldona
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Your approach is like taking a 6’ Asian guy that knows the game mentally better than anyone else over a pure Athlete. Just because you have the team that has the best basketball IQ doesn’t mean you win championships. It’s actually complete liberal BS that diversity makes a better workforce. There’s actually very very few career fields where that is remotely true, and the vast majority of career fields it’s false and BS. Most career fields the best person for the job has certain criteria, and their race, skin color, sexual orientation, sex, etc. has nothing to do with it.
If I’m in a foxhole surrounded by Al-Qaeda, I don’t want the black chick that got into my squad due to diversity to watch my 6. I want a fricking warrior who was top of the class.
, that's not my approach at all. My approach is to build the best team, not necessarily the best 5, 10, 100, whatever individuals.
Hell, even in sports we have situations where the more talented team individually is beaten by a better overall team.
I'm not trying to build a team that looks different just for shits and giggles - I want diversity of thought, and that often comes from people with varying backgrounds.
Your example of the foxhole is ludicrous. That's a situation where the black chick doesn't meet the minimum qualifications I keep discussing. Same with a 6' Asian guy in basketball. These are dumb examples.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:15 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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Why is diversity a strength?
Respectfully, he doesn't know. He's heard it said repeatedly by people he admires, so he trusts it must be true.
How can it be a weakness when it's made up of similarly qualified people? Only on the OT/Political Talk is a well qualified team with multiple backgrounds considered weak.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:18 am to slackster
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Only on the OT/Political Talk is a well qualified team with multiple backgrounds considered weak.
But I don't want "well qualified."
I want "best qualified."
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:11 am to Centinel
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But I don't want "well qualified."
I want "best qualified."
I'll take my subjective team of well qualified doctors vs your team of the highest MCATs any day.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:14 am to slackster
Why are you assuming that a lot of those with fringe SAT scores and top extracurriculars aren’t white as well?
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:24 am to FightnBobLafollette
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Who is more impressive. A 4.0 gpa and 1500 SAT or 3.8, 1400 SAT, Eagle Scout, played a varsity sport, worked a job, and volunteered.
That’s an entirely different issue.
A white student isn’t even getting a full picture review unless they score higher than their darker skinned peers.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:29 am to skullhawk
quote:Yea, apparently this thread has a few different arguments going on, but that is the main one, ISO.
That’s an entirely different issue.
A white student isn’t even getting a full picture review unless they score higher than their darker skinned peers
And it isn’t really whites that are being impacted. It is mainly Asians.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:29 am to slackster
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Your example of the foxhole is ludicrous. That's a situation where the black chick doesn't meet the minimum qualifications I keep discussing. Same with a 6' Asian guy in basketball. These are dumb examples.
You are the one that said something like the average Asian score is 1370 and white score is 1310, but the bare minimum is 1300 to get in. You said anything over 1300 doesn’t matter and other criteria should be used. And yes, almost always certain races and sexes have lower avg scores to get in. If you removed those lower averages for the minorities, the entire average would be higher.
In some small instances sure. But generally speaking, theres usually a very small set of criteria that are great determining factors. Looking outside of those criteria to increase diversity does absolutely nothing for the end goal except to increase diversity.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:35 am to slackster
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How can it be a weakness when it's made up of similarly qualified people?
You are moving the goal post. They aren’t similarly qualified, that’s the entire point here. Some races and minorities are allowed lower requirements on average to get in ONLY to increase diversity NOT because they are otherwise better candidates.
Assuming that they are more qualified in other aspects because they were accepted with lower test scores is nothing but an assumption. It’s more likely, they were accepted based purely on increasing diversity.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:36 am to HempHead
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Being a good tradesman is probably more mentally rigorous than studying sociology.
Very true!
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:40 am to tigerskin
SAT and ACT are poor at determining a student's success at college. At least above a certain threshold. I'm sure everyone knows someone who scored 33+ on the ACT and dropped out if college.
Everyone loves to play the victim these days. Life's not fair, get over it.
Everyone loves to play the victim these days. Life's not fair, get over it.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:43 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Like the “5 star football player that didn’t make it” huh? You don’t understand statistics
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:53 am to KamaCausey_LSU
quote:Well, Scruffy is not a fan of racial discrimination.
Everyone loves to play the victim these days. Life's not fair, get over it.
That is the crux of the issue.
Why should we discriminate against Asians for having better scores? Why should race play a factor at all?
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:56 am to slackster
quote:This sounds good to say, and you earned your "i am a good person points for saying it", but it isnt true most of the times
A team of all black males or Asian women is unlikely to be as strong as a diverse one of similarly qualified students.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:57 am to slackster
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I'm not trying to build a team that looks different just for shits and giggles -
Yes you are:
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I think building a class that is a reasonable representation of the culture and people you'll encounter post-grad makes for the best students on the whole.
...with no explanation as to why this would be the case, other than typical "diversity is our strength" crap
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I want to see a diverse make up from qualified
quote:quote:Among similarly qualified options, yeah, sure.
Your definition of "best" is "more diverse"
You have made it plainly clear that if it were up to you, then you would engineer your ideal blend of ethnic backgrounds into the student body.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:59 am to lsupride87
Any one that runs under a 4.6 forty is fast. Thats the baseline
slackster is arguing a white guy running a 4.57, an asian running a 4.59, and a black person running a 4.54 is a better team than
3 black guys who run 4.48, 4.51, and 4.50
Because diversity is strength
slackster is arguing a white guy running a 4.57, an asian running a 4.59, and a black person running a 4.54 is a better team than
3 black guys who run 4.48, 4.51, and 4.50
Because diversity is strength
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:00 am to slackster
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How can it be a weakness when it's made up of similarly qualified people? Only on the OT/Political Talk is a well qualified team with multiple backgrounds considered weak
The issue is that if you are seeking out a diverse team for the sake of diversity, it will be weaker, just like if you are seeking out a homogenous team, it will be weaker. The key is to always go for the best. The key is that the selection process must never be based on arbitrary factors that bare no weight on the job to be performed, such as skin color and gender.
Diversity can be a strength if it is organic. That would mean that you are recruiting the best of the best and have the ability to find the best no matter where they come from or what socioeconomic strata they started in. Organic diversity occurs when you aren't looking to build a diverse team, it just happens as the result of hiring the best, who turn out to be from a variety of different backgrounds.
Any time you introduce an arbitrary standard that has nothing to do with achievement into a selection process, you will get a weaker selection of applicants.
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